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From: Reclined
I'm on the NTSB website now, looking at the most recent fatal and non-fatal 121 accidents, and I'm sorry, I don't see where you're getting that information. For 2009, from earliest to most recent:
A320
ATR-42
Q400 (Buffalo)
B747
CRJ
MD11
MD88
B737
DHC-8
DC-10
B767
EMB135
A320
EMB170
B737
CRJ
DHC-8
B717
Fatals only (last 5 years):
CV-340(580)
Jetstream 32
EMB170
B737
Grumman G73T
B737
CRJ100
B737
DC9
B747
Q400
MD11
A320
ATR-42
Q400 (Buffalo)
B747
CRJ
MD11
MD88
B737
DHC-8
DC-10
B767
EMB135
A320
EMB170
B737
CRJ
DHC-8
B717
Fatals only (last 5 years):
CV-340(580)
Jetstream 32
EMB170
B737
Grumman G73T
B737
CRJ100
B737
DC9
B747
Q400
MD11
and then here ---->NTSB - Accidents Involving Passenger Fatalities - U.S. Airlines (Part 121)
and I found this:
Fatals
09/11/01 SHANKSVILLE, PA UNITED AIRLINES BOEING 737 11/12/01 BELLE HARBOR, NY AMERICAN AIRLINES AIRBUS A300
01/08/03 CHARLOTTE, NC US AIRWAYS EXPRESS Beech 1900
10/19/04 KIRKSVILLE, MO CORPORATE AIRLINES BA Jetstream 32
12/19/05 MIAMI, FL CHALKS OCEAN AIRWAYS Grumman G-37
08/27/06 LEXINGTON, KY MAIR Bombardier CRJ-100
02/12/09 CLARENCE, NY COLGAN AIR Bombardier DHC-8
It doesn't include the non-fatals, and if you do that, you get 7 of the last 8 were regionals. Slip in the USAir on the Hudson and one other one that slips my noodle right now and poof 7 of 8. Period, end of story.
Remember NTSB is going to list any major damage regardless of if it involved an incident or acident. A fuel truck smahing into the plane at the gate will get reported... we're talking about accidents, not expensive mishaps that require reporting under NTSB 830.
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yes. I looked into going there a few years ago when I was at CFI school in Ft Laudersale. I went to visit the school. They told me it would cost me like $22K and I would fly in the right seat and build time . It was too expensvie for me so i forgot about it.
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Well things are much different now, they do have a PFT program, but it is definatly not what everyone says it is based on what they heard from so and so....
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From: DD->DH->RU/XE soon to be EV
Really? I went here ---> NTSB - Aviation
and then here ---->NTSB - Accidents Involving Passenger Fatalities - U.S. Airlines (Part 121)
and I found this:
Fatals
09/11/01 SHANKSVILLE, PA UNITED AIRLINES BOEING 737
and then here ---->NTSB - Accidents Involving Passenger Fatalities - U.S. Airlines (Part 121)
and I found this:
Fatals
09/11/01 SHANKSVILLE, PA UNITED AIRLINES BOEING 737

How/why is the FedEx MD-11 not listed?
Also, along your line of reasoning that regional cockpits are "unsafe", so much that you refuse to fly on them. Were the B1900 and Grumman cockpit crew human factor related?
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From: Reclined
I cut and pasted.... ooops, yep, your right 757.... 37 was the fatalities...
poor job of cutting and pasting... I backed the 37 fatalities up too far and wiped out the 57.
But the link is right above in the original post... it is what it is.
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From: B737CA
Looks like a bad cut and paste - check the website.
No, but reading comprehension of regional pilots might be in slight question...
Fedex MD11 is a cargo plane, and the statistics used are for accidents involving passenger fatalities.
Just bustin' your balls...
How/why is the FedEx MD-11 not listed?
Also, along your line of reasoning that regional cockpits are "unsafe", so much that you refuse to fly on them. Were the B1900 and Grumman cockpit crew human factor related?
Also, along your line of reasoning that regional cockpits are "unsafe", so much that you refuse to fly on them. Were the B1900 and Grumman cockpit crew human factor related?
Fedex MD11 is a cargo plane, and the statistics used are for accidents involving passenger fatalities.
Just bustin' your balls...
#58
Really? I went here ---> NTSB - Aviation
and then here ---->NTSB - Accidents Involving Passenger Fatalities - U.S. Airlines (Part 121)
and I found this:
Fatals
09/11/01 SHANKSVILLE, PA UNITED AIRLINES BOEING 737 11/12/01 BELLE HARBOR, NY AMERICAN AIRLINES AIRBUS A300
01/08/03 CHARLOTTE, NC US AIRWAYS EXPRESS Beech 1900
10/19/04 KIRKSVILLE, MO CORPORATE AIRLINES BA Jetstream 32
12/19/05 MIAMI, FL CHALKS OCEAN AIRWAYS Grumman G-37
08/27/06 LEXINGTON, KY MAIR Bombardier CRJ-100
02/12/09 CLARENCE, NY COLGAN AIR Bombardier DHC-8
It doesn't include the non-fatals, and if you do that, you get 7 of the last 8 were regionals. Slip in the USAir on the Hudson and one other one that slips my noodle right now and poof 7 of 8. Period, end of story.
Remember NTSB is going to list any major damage regardless of if it involved an incident or acident. A fuel truck smahing into the plane at the gate will get reported... we're talking about accidents, not expensive mishaps that require reporting under NTSB 830.
and then here ---->NTSB - Accidents Involving Passenger Fatalities - U.S. Airlines (Part 121)
and I found this:
Fatals
09/11/01 SHANKSVILLE, PA UNITED AIRLINES BOEING 737 11/12/01 BELLE HARBOR, NY AMERICAN AIRLINES AIRBUS A300
01/08/03 CHARLOTTE, NC US AIRWAYS EXPRESS Beech 1900
10/19/04 KIRKSVILLE, MO CORPORATE AIRLINES BA Jetstream 32
12/19/05 MIAMI, FL CHALKS OCEAN AIRWAYS Grumman G-37
08/27/06 LEXINGTON, KY MAIR Bombardier CRJ-100
02/12/09 CLARENCE, NY COLGAN AIR Bombardier DHC-8
It doesn't include the non-fatals, and if you do that, you get 7 of the last 8 were regionals. Slip in the USAir on the Hudson and one other one that slips my noodle right now and poof 7 of 8. Period, end of story.
Remember NTSB is going to list any major damage regardless of if it involved an incident or acident. A fuel truck smahing into the plane at the gate will get reported... we're talking about accidents, not expensive mishaps that require reporting under NTSB 830.
Aviation Accident Database Query
Dates: 1/1/2004 - 9/20/2009
Investigation Type: Accident
Injury Severity: Fatal (or All, whichever you'd like)
Operation: Part 121:Air Carrier
Submit. Very different results.
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From: DD->DH->RU/XE soon to be EV
09/11/01 NEW YORK CITY, NY UNITED AIRLINES BOEING 767-200
09/11/01 ARLINGTON, VA AMERICAN AIRLINES BOEING 757-200
09/11/01 SHANKSVILLE, PA UNITED AIRLINES BOEING 757
11/12/01 BELLE HARBOR, NY AMERICAN AIRLINES AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A300-600
01/08/03 CHARLOTTE, NC US AIRWAYS EXPRESS Beech 1900
Took you up on the offer, above is the cut and paste I got from here;
NTSB - Accidents Involving Passenger Fatalities - U.S. Airlines (Part 121)
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From: DD->DH->RU/XE soon to be EV
, but read most of the guys other threads. Obviously regional cockpits are dangerous and flying on a regional aircraft should be avoided at all costs.And I guess if we really wanna escalate the thread over reading comprehension, grammar, etc;
Knowing the difference between you're and your is above the guy.
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