Colgan's fatigue policy....
#61
I see its still business as usual at Colgan Air. Intimidating pilots into taking a flight when its unsafe. I personally know many CA's there who are afraid to stand up and make a PIC decision because they fear for their job. There is so much fear and intimidation from management that the employees have "Stockholm syndrome" believe me when I tell you.
The current EWR Asst. Chief Pilot had an evac due to smoke in the cabin because he left the APU bleeds on during de-icing. A passenger broke several bones in the process, and guess what no discpline..... They promoted him! CA's getting suspended because a deadheading pilot complained their was a hard landing. The rediciclous stories go on and on.....
And yet ALPA gets all your dues and continues to sit on the sidelines because their official answer for everything is " We currently do not have a grievance policy, and until then we can not represent any crew members." ALPA has attempted to get a grievance policy on paper, but the company has told the pilot's union to go pound sand.
I wish all my friends well at Colgan Air its only going to get worse.
The current EWR Asst. Chief Pilot had an evac due to smoke in the cabin because he left the APU bleeds on during de-icing. A passenger broke several bones in the process, and guess what no discpline..... They promoted him! CA's getting suspended because a deadheading pilot complained their was a hard landing. The rediciclous stories go on and on.....
And yet ALPA gets all your dues and continues to sit on the sidelines because their official answer for everything is " We currently do not have a grievance policy, and until then we can not represent any crew members." ALPA has attempted to get a grievance policy on paper, but the company has told the pilot's union to go pound sand.
I wish all my friends well at Colgan Air its only going to get worse.
The CJC ALPA has been doing a tremendous amount of work improving the pilot group's QOL and grievance issues....among other areas, as well. All this DESPITE having a contract! In fact, there is a great deal of transparency in what goes on w/ the CJC ALPA committees.
Any pilot employed at CJC that says they are unaware of what their MEC/ committees are doing.......is only unaware due to their own negligence. The information is distributed in multiple media forms. The MEC can only distribute the information......they can't make you read or listen to it!
#62
People HAVE been abusing this policy. Its put in place as a safety measure and people abuse it to get days off or be released from reserve early which we can all agree is completely unprofessional and makes life harder for everyone else out there.
and apparently people who posted on this board can't read well because there is this note "*Mitigating circumstances that prevent a rest period from being fully utilized will be considered when determining whether a fatigue call is acceptable." in case you do get a bad nights sleep or for whatever reason are fatigued.
and apparently people who posted on this board can't read well because there is this note "*Mitigating circumstances that prevent a rest period from being fully utilized will be considered when determining whether a fatigue call is acceptable." in case you do get a bad nights sleep or for whatever reason are fatigued.
You have to much faith in a management team that has jeopardized a safety valve with punitive measures and left the ultimate decision of fatigue in doubt of wether it will be accepted. This is blatantly against every safety principle in the industry.
All will agree that abuse is flat out wrong. Abuse needs to be addressed seperately and with peer pressure among the solutions, not via a 'temporary' punitive fatigue policy.
Colgan management fails the public affairs test, the professional pilot credibility test, and the most critical goal, the safety test.
#63
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2005
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The CJC ALPA has been doing a tremendous amount of work improving the pilot group's QOL and grievance issues....among other areas, as well. All this DESPITE having a contract! In fact, there is a great deal of transparency in what goes on w/ the CJC ALPA committees.
Any pilot employed at CJC that says they are unaware of what their MEC/ committees are doing.......is only unaware due to their own negligence. The information is distributed in multiple media forms. The MEC can only distribute the information......they can't make you read or listen to it!
Any pilot employed at CJC that says they are unaware of what their MEC/ committees are doing.......is only unaware due to their own negligence. The information is distributed in multiple media forms. The MEC can only distribute the information......they can't make you read or listen to it!
Although the MEC may behind the scenes politic any sort of disciplinary issues with a line pilot, they can still not legally represent one.
Should management decide to pull a line pilot for a disciplinary meeting the line pilot is left unrepresented.
Management is suspending pilots on a daily basis for anything they feel like. They suspend w/o pay and ask questions later.
#64
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
People HAVE been abusing this policy. Its put in place as a safety measure and people abuse it to get days off or be released from reserve early which we can all agree is completely unprofessional and makes life harder for everyone else out there.
and apparently people who posted on this board can't read well because there is this note "*Mitigating circumstances that prevent a rest period from being fully utilized will be considered when determining whether a fatigue call is acceptable." in case you do get a bad nights sleep or for whatever reason are fatigued.
and apparently people who posted on this board can't read well because there is this note "*Mitigating circumstances that prevent a rest period from being fully utilized will be considered when determining whether a fatigue call is acceptable." in case you do get a bad nights sleep or for whatever reason are fatigued.
This is a policy using an assumption that any pilot who claims fatigue based on previous days off or a 12 hour rest periods will automatically be assumed to abusing the policy unless and until third parties agree that they are not. Colgan pilots will get the message that big trouble for them will occur even if they have a genuine fatigue issue based on previous time off and that's the point of the message................INTIMIDATION. It's intimidation because it isn't targeted toward specific indviduals with either a history of suspected abuse, or clearly questionable claims, but a blanket policy based on THEIR third party judged acceptability of previous rest.
I think you need to re-read that memo. It states first and foremost that, "Fatigue calls will not be accepted......." and only that "consideration of mitigating circumstances" will be "ultimately determined" by others.................others who can in no reasonable way judge how capable a pilot felt regarding fitness to fly.
The message is clear....................you'd better avoid calling in fatigued at this carrier or your going to have trouble with this management and your job is in jeopardy.
#65
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
I or no one is doubting the tremendous amount of time and effort the CJC MEC has done behind the scenes. Or all the tremendous support of line pilots from other airlines and ALPA National following the events of Flight 3407.
Although the MEC may behind the scenes politic any sort of disciplinary issues with a line pilot, they can still not legally represent one.
Should management decide to pull a line pilot for a disciplinary meeting the line pilot is left unrepresented.
Management is suspending pilots on a daily basis for anything they feel like. They suspend w/o pay and ask questions later.
Although the MEC may behind the scenes politic any sort of disciplinary issues with a line pilot, they can still not legally represent one.
Should management decide to pull a line pilot for a disciplinary meeting the line pilot is left unrepresented.
Management is suspending pilots on a daily basis for anything they feel like. They suspend w/o pay and ask questions later.
What more needs to be said ?
#66
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 4,921
Maybe some pilots are abusing the policy, maybe not. Colganhas been abusing pilots for years. The right thing for the company to do would be to consider the abusers "collateral damage" and ignore them. If this memo is true, the company should be shut down. It is not safe. I don't care if the pilots that work there find employment or not. I care about the public's safety. Colgan is detrimental to safety, and therefore should not be allowed to continue operations. If you work for Colgan and are defending this policy, you need to take a long hard look in the mirror.
#67
If Colgan were to attempt to terminate employment of any pilot on legitimate causes based on this memo, believe you me, the pilot would be in a much better financial position after the dust settled.
Legally, this memo has zero teeth and is a terrifying example of how middle and upper management continue to throw issues of safety aside for their own agenda.
I'm even going to go out on a limb and state that whomever wrote this memo didn't even touch base with their legal representation.
Last edited by DeltaPaySoon; 01-02-2010 at 10:23 AM.
#70
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2009
Posts: 66
Care to identify yourself or is this just flame? I agree it should not be abused but the new policy was not the right way to go about correcting that.
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