Colgan's fatigue policy....
01-03-2010, 01:32 PM
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Is anyone suprised given who is really in charge here? Pinnacle Corp. This is the most ludacris policy ever created. Basically they are telling you when you can be tired. So if you have kids and one of them goes to the hospital and keeps you up all night but you as a good worker report to work but then half way through your rediculous 7 leg day you realize you aren't safely operating this flight anymore so you chose to call in fatigued, you will now be punished for that!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously - how is this corporation and both of its airlines staying in business with their knee jerk reactions, pathetic staffing models, and draconian work rules????????????????? They have to be paying someone off.
Seriously - how is this corporation and both of its airlines staying in business with their knee jerk reactions, pathetic staffing models, and draconian work rules????????????????? They have to be paying someone off.
01-03-2010, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by PinnacleFO
Is anyone suprised given who is really in charge here? Pinnacle Corp.
So here's the BIG question that will really hit everyone hard. Ready?
If this policy was in effect before the Buffalo crash of flight 3407, would either of the two pilots been allowed to call in fatigue for that flight?
01-03-2010, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinchanickled
Amazing. Absolutely amazing.
So here's the BIG question that will really hit everyone hard. Ready?
If this policy was in effect before the Buffalo crash of flight 3407, would either of the two pilots been allowed to call in fatigue for that flight?
So here's the BIG question that will really hit everyone hard. Ready?
If this policy was in effect before the Buffalo crash of flight 3407, would either of the two pilots been allowed to call in fatigue for that flight?
Newsflash, Everyone (public, FAA, NTSB, pilots, ...): Pinnacle would rather have people DIE than compromise their profit margins. Every single thing they put out, even if disguised as safety related, is 100% created for financial reasons. These people are evil and from someone on the outside looking in, it is completely disgusting. I will NEVER, EVER let anyone I know get on a Pinnacle Corp aircraft. You guys, the ones of you who work for Pinnacle or Colgan, need to stand up against that company. Nobody else, including even the FAA, will and it really needs to happen before they kill more people. Figure out some way to stand together and fight this company, the industry needs it and public deserves it.
01-03-2010, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by yamahas3
No, and it doesn't surprise me one bit. The first thing that probably on PT's mind the morning when he found out about the crash was that they just lost one flight's worth of completion factor. He even cracked a bit of a smile and joke in his news conference the next morning before catching himself.
Newsflash, Everyone (public, FAA, NTSB, pilots, ...): Pinnacle would rather have people DIE than compromise their profit margins. Every single thing they put out, even if disguised as safety related, is 100% created for financial reasons. These people are evil and from someone on the outside looking in, it is completely disgusting. I will NEVER, EVER let anyone I know get on a Pinnacle Corp aircraft. You guys, the ones of you who work for Pinnacle or Colgan, need to stand up against that company. Nobody else, including even the FAA, will and it really needs to happen before they kill more people. Figure out some way to stand together and fight this company, the industry needs it and public deserves it.
Newsflash, Everyone (public, FAA, NTSB, pilots, ...): Pinnacle would rather have people DIE than compromise their profit margins. Every single thing they put out, even if disguised as safety related, is 100% created for financial reasons. These people are evil and from someone on the outside looking in, it is completely disgusting. I will NEVER, EVER let anyone I know get on a Pinnacle Corp aircraft. You guys, the ones of you who work for Pinnacle or Colgan, need to stand up against that company. Nobody else, including even the FAA, will and it really needs to happen before they kill more people. Figure out some way to stand together and fight this company, the industry needs it and public deserves it.
01-04-2010, 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by rustypigeon
Colgan made the front page of the Buffalo News today.
When defending the policy, the vice president of safety wrote "...when given an opportunity to demonstrate a lack of professionalism and maturity, a disappointing number of our crew members will do so."
That is just what the passengers want to hear. Not only are Colgans pilots flying fatigued, they are also immature and unprofessional.
I can't believe they can get people to fly on their airplanes anymore.
When defending the policy, the vice president of safety wrote "...when given an opportunity to demonstrate a lack of professionalism and maturity, a disappointing number of our crew members will do so."
That is just what the passengers want to hear. Not only are Colgans pilots flying fatigued, they are also immature and unprofessional.
I can't believe they can get people to fly on their airplanes anymore.
01-04-2010, 08:08 AM
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Maybe their "industry average" pay of 23,000 a yr in one of the most expensive domiciles is the problem. NAH!!!!
Colgan management is used to treating its employees like they are flying small turbo-props. For years regionals treated small prop pilots like garbage because who cared if a Beech 1900 flight was delayed 6 hrs until they could deadhead a new pilot up to an outstation. they fired the offending pilot and life went on. 20 people with disrupted travel plans is not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
Now they are flying a big airplane with double to almost quadruple the passengers. If a flight is delayed a few hours because of how you treat your employees or your empployees are "getting back" at their management... you just cost your mainline partner thousands of dollars in hotels from missed international connections, meal vouchers, compensation, ticket refunds, and left a bad taste in their passengers mouths. Let them cancel some flights for lack of crew. If they want professionals then they should have to pay for it.
Colgan management is used to treating its employees like they are flying small turbo-props. For years regionals treated small prop pilots like garbage because who cared if a Beech 1900 flight was delayed 6 hrs until they could deadhead a new pilot up to an outstation. they fired the offending pilot and life went on. 20 people with disrupted travel plans is not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
Now they are flying a big airplane with double to almost quadruple the passengers. If a flight is delayed a few hours because of how you treat your employees or your empployees are "getting back" at their management... you just cost your mainline partner thousands of dollars in hotels from missed international connections, meal vouchers, compensation, ticket refunds, and left a bad taste in their passengers mouths. Let them cancel some flights for lack of crew. If they want professionals then they should have to pay for it.
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