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Old 01-15-2010 | 06:29 AM
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The background of most of Colgans pilots are beech 1900 and the saab into podunk back country airports. Many of the pilots here are used to flying a non precision or arc into a non towered airport at night in icing.

Yes, Mexico will be a new and different challenge but so far we are only talking one airport, Monterey. I cant imagine how that one single airport will be just out of reach of the capabilities of the majority of pilots here.

Yes, we have a few pilots that are very capable of flying an arc into the side of a mountain in day VMC, luckily that is not the norm.

I dont see how we have gotten over 40 posts on this topic.
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Old 01-15-2010 | 06:32 AM
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I didn't realize there was any fighting going on.... anyone who tries to kiss me is going to get some Skoal Wintergreen as a present....
I like your Skoal, but nothing wrong with mixing it up with a little Red Man Golden Blend. (hint)
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Old 01-15-2010 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by usmc-sgt
The background of most of Colgans pilots are beech 1900 and the saab into podunk back country airports. Many of the pilots here are used to flying a non precision or arc into a non towered airport at night in icing.

Yes, Mexico will be a new and different challenge but so far we are only talking one airport, Monterey. I cant imagine how that one single airport will be just out of reach of the capabilities of the majority of pilots here.

Yes, we have a few pilots that are very capable of flying an arc into the side of a mountain in day VMC, luckily that is not the norm.

I dont see how we have gotten over 40 posts on this topic.
Most of the posts have been about the marketability and operational flexibility of the Q, I don't see anyone questioning the skills of any pilot group, there have been a few post talking about the different challenges that flying into Mexico can bring though. Either you're too lazy to read all 40 posts, or you don't read very well. Which one is it?
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Old 01-15-2010 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
Mexico flying isn't fun. Full approaches, DME arcs, Teardrops, and a bunch of other stuff I only read about in IFR ground school.
Some of us enjoy the challenge and the overnights, it's definitely not for everybody though; we have guys that bid around the Mexico stuff, which is hard to do considering no other airline covers as many markets as we do in Mexico, and I mean XJT, not mainline, we even cover more markets than some of the Mexican carriers.
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Old 01-15-2010 | 03:48 PM
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Does Colgan let you jumpseat internationally? If not im giong to have to find another ride home to MTY...

Something tells me im going to miss xjet service down south...
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Old 01-15-2010 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Intl Jumper
Does Colgan let you jumpseat internationally? If not im giong to have to find another ride home to MTY...

Something tells me im going to miss xjet service down south...
Not to worry there boss, CAL is only going to replace one or two of the XJT flights with Q's, if anything, it will probably make up more room for you to continue to go home on us. Heck, CAL has been talking about 737 service again in there for while, so I wouldn't be too worried about it.
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Old 01-15-2010 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by goaround2000
Some of us enjoy the challenge and the overnights, it's definitely not for everybody though; we have guys that bid around the Mexico stuff, which is hard to do considering no other airline covers as many markets as we do in Mexico, and I mean XJT, not mainline, we even cover more markets than some of the Mexican carriers.
You must have a very good A/P and FMS......I do it but not because I enjoy it.... Every one seating in a left or right seat of any airliner should have the basic skill of doing an arc even at nite... and be safe about it too!!!
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Old 01-15-2010 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetrecruiter
You must have a very good A/P and FMS......I do it but not because I enjoy it.... Every one seating in a left or right seat of any airliner should have the basic skill of doing an arc even at nite... and be safe about it too!!!
The ERJ does not. Unless things have changed (not likely), all the approaches must be flown green-needles, even the arcs. On top of that, I've had to hand fly plenty due to those sketchy Mexican VORs.

Some like the challenge. I know I do.
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Old 01-15-2010 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by NightIP
The ERJ does not. Unless things have changed (not likely), all the approaches must be flown green-needles, even the arcs. On top of that, I've had to hand fly plenty due to those sketchy Mexican VORs.

Some like the challenge. I know I do.
Green needles!?!?! Hand fly!?!?!?!?! Sketchy VORs!?!?!?!

Wait, why would you have to hand-fly due to sketchy VORs? Can you not turn a heading bug? DAS is about the king of Sketchy VORs (and yes, I have flown in Mexico before), and all that means is you can't use Nav mode. I'm sure your airplane has a Heading mode, too, yes?

You know what this sounds like? Every day ops for Saab/Beech/DC-9 drivers.

Edit: What I'm saying, I guess, is that I'm confident that any airline pilot is confident in their own ability to fly under these conditions, otherwise they have no business doing the job they do. That being said, knowing that a hand-flown non-radar arc/teardrop approach was going to happen during the flight, and I could pick the pilots, I'm grabbing guys with experience in the Beech.
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Old 01-15-2010 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by plasticpi
Green needles!?!?! Hand fly!?!?!?!?! Sketchy VORs!?!?!?!

Wait, why would you have to hand-fly due to sketchy VORs? Can you not turn a heading bug? DAS is about the king of Sketchy VORs (and yes, I have flown in Mexico before), and all that means is you can't use Nav mode. I'm sure your airplane has a Heading mode, too, yes?

You know what this sounds like? Every day ops for Saab/Beech/DC-9 drivers.
You're not shooting approaches over DAS.

Anyway, I'm talking about disconnecting the autopilot when you're going into SLW and the autopilot starts trying to turn you 30 degrees off the final approach course. Anyway, it's been a solid year and a half for me since I've flown that plane into Mexico (or flown it, period).
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