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Old 01-14-2010 | 05:16 AM
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I wouldnt worry about the Colgan guys flying into Mexico. The majority of guys I flew over there came from the Beech and could fly an airplane better than most...............

Mountains or not, an approach is an approach and the Q's probably are better equipped than most of the RJ's going down there..........
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Old 01-14-2010 | 07:09 AM
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Well now that everyone has kissed and made up. Anyone else know where these Q are going to fly?
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Old 01-14-2010 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
Gotcha, the AP/FD setup is pretty crappy and not that great of an asset. Which was kinda what I was getting at before though. Any instrument rated pilot should be able to fly the stuff. Things like the PFM of the FMS and terrain radar give an elevated SA level.
For sure!!! A buddy of mine flies 135 (equivalent of) in Mexico, and they don't always have the toys (that must suck!), but at least they have the home court advantage
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Old 01-14-2010 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by belliott
in fact I whole heartedly agree with you... some of the approaches in the countries I listed are more of a guesstimation than an actual approach.
Isn't that truth! I've had a controller more or less create his own arc/approach at one point....he called it "vectors to final (3 mile final!!), on account of "conflicting traffic" on the departure/arrival airway. It was all good (VFR), but you definitely see some interesting things happen there from time to time, particularly in non-radar environments.

I sure wish we were RNAV approved in some places Ponch
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Old 01-14-2010 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by skidmark
Well now that everyone has kissed and made up. Anyone else know where these Q are going to fly?
I didn't realize there was any fighting going on.... anyone who tries to kiss me is going to get some Skoal Wintergreen as a present....
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Old 01-14-2010 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by The Juice
I love how a bunch of guys who fly planes that fly themselves are talking about the hard flying they do.

Flying single pilot in hard IMC without an autopilot is hard flying. Not relying so much on your technology to get you there, not so much.

(this will serve as a "settle down" to all those guys who will now get upset that I questioned their flying")
Huh...I must be doing something wrong then. I can't seem to find the "fly itself" button on a 402.

I've done lots and lots of single pilot in the hardest IFR you've ever seen in the northeast, as well as plenty of 121 jet flying into the interior of Mexico. After doing both, let me tell you: Flying jets down in Mexico is very very close to the same level of challenge, particularly when you're down there at night dodging thunderstorms in the middle of the summer.
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Old 01-14-2010 | 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by NightIP
Huh...I must be doing something wrong then. I can't seem to find the "fly itself" button on a 402.

I've done lots and lots of single pilot in the hardest IFR you've ever seen in the northeast, as well as plenty of 121 jet flying into the interior of Mexico. After doing both, let me tell you: Flying jets down in Mexico is very very close to the same level of challenge, particularly when you're down there at night dodging thunderstorms in the middle of the summer.
Settle down, we know you are the greatest thing in aviation...next to Sully of course.
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Old 01-15-2010 | 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by goaround2000
More than likely MTY only. The Q simply doesn't have the range to go any further, besides MTY is one of the few markets we serve which is not subject to drift down or terrain clearance limitations.

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The Q has to range to go to STL from IAH if they wanted to... Horizon has flown them from BOI to LAX (almost 900 miles) and it takes them just a few minutes longer than it takes an RJ.

Also, terrain is less a factor than it is in the RJ.
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Old 01-15-2010 | 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by NightIP
Huh...I must be doing something wrong then. I can't seem to find the "fly itself" button on a 402.

I've done lots and lots of single pilot in the hardest IFR you've ever seen in the northeast, as well as plenty of 121 jet flying into the interior of Mexico. After doing both, let me tell you: Flying jets down in Mexico is very very close to the same level of challenge, particularly when you're down there at night dodging thunderstorms in the middle of the summer.
Originally Posted by The Juice
Settle down, we know you are the greatest thing in aviation...next to Sully of course.
Mexico flying isn't fun. Full approaches, DME arcs, Teardrops, and a bunch of other stuff I only read about in IFR ground school.
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Old 01-15-2010 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by The Juice
Settle down, we know you are the greatest thing in aviation...next to Sully of course.
I am awesome, but that's not the point here.

My point is that you shouldn't be making a brazen comparison like SPIFR vs. 121 Mexico flying unless you've done both. Have you done both?
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