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10-29-2011 | 08:00 AM
#4241
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Alright you two. Don't make me come stop this car...! 
Anyway, as far as 900 TT and 75 ME being a low experience level? It is, actually. But that's the new reality in this business and therefore, it is what it is. We, the airlines, have to adapt.
With that being said, up until a couple of years ago I flew as an IOE/Line Check Airman and flew almost exclusively with new hires, many of whom were straight out of the sim checkride. Most of the pilots were in the 400 to 900 hour range, with but a handful of ME hours. Almost all of them had flown nothing larger than a GA light twin. Almost without exception, the new hires had a difficult time adapting to the airplane itself. Their attitudes were great, they had good checklist and systems skills, but the flying part (where a comparative lack of experience shows itself) was really tough for them. The speed of the aircraft, rate of climb, the pace at which things happen, the weight of the controls, just about everything caused them problems. It was not for a lack of trying; they had just never been exposed to anything like that sort of performance or weight before.
Almost without exception, though, they would eventually come around and pass IOE. It simply took far longer - in terms of IOE hours - than it had in the past for the new hires to finish.
Every once in a while I'd get paired up with a new hire who'd come from the corporate ranks, or from another regional like Mesa, and their experience showed; these men and women stepped into the airplanes and were immediately at ease with everything. Giving IOE to them was like taking a vacation.
So, yes, experience (flight hours in more complex, faster airplanes) does usually mean something. Don't be lulled into believing it won't. I had a guy once who (nice young guy) came across as very confident, maybe even a little too confident. He told me he was here to learn and knew it would be a little difficult, but that he felt confident he's pick it up quickly. I just smiled and knew he was in for a surprise. Poor guy. We had a six leg day and this guy was just blasted at the end of day one. I felt bad for him (his ego had been bruised a bit), but told him to keep his chin up and we'd keep working on it; it just takes time to get comfortable flying these things. In the end, he passed, as they almost always do.
Come in with a good attitude, work harder than you've ever worked at anything in your life, spend a lot of time Chair Flying the procedures., and when you pass your checkride and show up for IOE, don't expect to dazzle anybody. In fact be ready to feel a bit swamped. If you come in with a good attitude, and show you want to learn, and show some progress, you'll make it through and will be on your way to a long career as an airline pilot.
Anyway, as far as 900 TT and 75 ME being a low experience level? It is, actually. But that's the new reality in this business and therefore, it is what it is. We, the airlines, have to adapt.
With that being said, up until a couple of years ago I flew as an IOE/Line Check Airman and flew almost exclusively with new hires, many of whom were straight out of the sim checkride. Most of the pilots were in the 400 to 900 hour range, with but a handful of ME hours. Almost all of them had flown nothing larger than a GA light twin. Almost without exception, the new hires had a difficult time adapting to the airplane itself. Their attitudes were great, they had good checklist and systems skills, but the flying part (where a comparative lack of experience shows itself) was really tough for them. The speed of the aircraft, rate of climb, the pace at which things happen, the weight of the controls, just about everything caused them problems. It was not for a lack of trying; they had just never been exposed to anything like that sort of performance or weight before.
Almost without exception, though, they would eventually come around and pass IOE. It simply took far longer - in terms of IOE hours - than it had in the past for the new hires to finish.
Every once in a while I'd get paired up with a new hire who'd come from the corporate ranks, or from another regional like Mesa, and their experience showed; these men and women stepped into the airplanes and were immediately at ease with everything. Giving IOE to them was like taking a vacation.
So, yes, experience (flight hours in more complex, faster airplanes) does usually mean something. Don't be lulled into believing it won't. I had a guy once who (nice young guy) came across as very confident, maybe even a little too confident. He told me he was here to learn and knew it would be a little difficult, but that he felt confident he's pick it up quickly. I just smiled and knew he was in for a surprise. Poor guy. We had a six leg day and this guy was just blasted at the end of day one. I felt bad for him (his ego had been bruised a bit), but told him to keep his chin up and we'd keep working on it; it just takes time to get comfortable flying these things. In the end, he passed, as they almost always do.
Come in with a good attitude, work harder than you've ever worked at anything in your life, spend a lot of time Chair Flying the procedures., and when you pass your checkride and show up for IOE, don't expect to dazzle anybody. In fact be ready to feel a bit swamped. If you come in with a good attitude, and show you want to learn, and show some progress, you'll make it through and will be on your way to a long career as an airline pilot.
10-29-2011 | 08:38 AM
#4243
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Joined: Jun 2008
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Alright you two. Don't make me come stop this car...!
Anyway, as far as 900 TT and 75 ME being a low experience level? It is, actually. But that's the new reality in this business and therefore, it is what it is. We, the airlines, have to adapt.
With that being said, up until a couple of years ago I flew as an IOE/Line Check Airman and flew almost exclusively with new hires, many of whom were straight out of the sim checkride. Most of the pilots were in the 400 to 900 hour range, with but a handful of ME hours. Almost all of them had flown nothing larger than a GA light twin. Almost without exception, the new hires had a difficult time adapting to the airplane itself. Their attitudes were great, they had good checklist and systems skills, but the flying part (where a comparative lack of experience shows itself) was really tough for them. The speed of the aircraft, rate of climb, the pace at which things happen, the weight of the controls, just about everything caused them problems. It was not for a lack of trying; they had just never been exposed to anything like that sort of performance or weight before.
Almost without exception, though, they would eventually come around and pass IOE. It simply took far longer - in terms of IOE hours - than it had in the past for the new hires to finish.
Every once in a while I'd get paired up with a new hire who'd come from the corporate ranks, or from another regional like Mesa, and their experience showed; these men and women stepped into the airplanes and were immediately at ease with everything. Giving IOE to them was like taking a vacation.
So, yes, experience (flight hours in more complex, faster airplanes) does usually mean something. Don't be lulled into believing it won't. I had a guy once who (nice young guy) came across as very confident, maybe even a little too confident. He told me he was here to learn and knew it would be a little difficult, but that he felt confident he's pick it up quickly. I just smiled and knew he was in for a surprise. Poor guy. We had a six leg day and this guy was just blasted at the end of day one. I felt bad for him (his ego had been bruised a bit), but told him to keep his chin up and we'd keep working on it; it just takes time to get comfortable flying these things. In the end, he passed, as they almost always do.
Come in with a good attitude, work harder than you've ever worked at anything in your life, spend a lot of time Chair Flying the procedures., and when you pass your checkride and show up for IOE, don't expect to dazzle anybody. In fact be ready to feel a bit swamped. If you come in with a good attitude, and show you want to learn, and show some progress, you'll make it through and will be on your way to a long career as an airline pilot.
Anyway, as far as 900 TT and 75 ME being a low experience level? It is, actually. But that's the new reality in this business and therefore, it is what it is. We, the airlines, have to adapt.
With that being said, up until a couple of years ago I flew as an IOE/Line Check Airman and flew almost exclusively with new hires, many of whom were straight out of the sim checkride. Most of the pilots were in the 400 to 900 hour range, with but a handful of ME hours. Almost all of them had flown nothing larger than a GA light twin. Almost without exception, the new hires had a difficult time adapting to the airplane itself. Their attitudes were great, they had good checklist and systems skills, but the flying part (where a comparative lack of experience shows itself) was really tough for them. The speed of the aircraft, rate of climb, the pace at which things happen, the weight of the controls, just about everything caused them problems. It was not for a lack of trying; they had just never been exposed to anything like that sort of performance or weight before.
Almost without exception, though, they would eventually come around and pass IOE. It simply took far longer - in terms of IOE hours - than it had in the past for the new hires to finish.
Every once in a while I'd get paired up with a new hire who'd come from the corporate ranks, or from another regional like Mesa, and their experience showed; these men and women stepped into the airplanes and were immediately at ease with everything. Giving IOE to them was like taking a vacation.
So, yes, experience (flight hours in more complex, faster airplanes) does usually mean something. Don't be lulled into believing it won't. I had a guy once who (nice young guy) came across as very confident, maybe even a little too confident. He told me he was here to learn and knew it would be a little difficult, but that he felt confident he's pick it up quickly. I just smiled and knew he was in for a surprise. Poor guy. We had a six leg day and this guy was just blasted at the end of day one. I felt bad for him (his ego had been bruised a bit), but told him to keep his chin up and we'd keep working on it; it just takes time to get comfortable flying these things. In the end, he passed, as they almost always do.
Come in with a good attitude, work harder than you've ever worked at anything in your life, spend a lot of time Chair Flying the procedures., and when you pass your checkride and show up for IOE, don't expect to dazzle anybody. In fact be ready to feel a bit swamped. If you come in with a good attitude, and show you want to learn, and show some progress, you'll make it through and will be on your way to a long career as an airline pilot.
10-29-2011 | 09:05 AM
#4244
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Joined: Aug 2011
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Alright you two. Don't make me come stop this car...!
Anyway, as far as 900 TT and 75 ME being a low experience level? It is, actually. But that's the new reality in this business and therefore, it is what it is. We, the airlines, have to adapt.
With that being said, up until a couple of years ago I flew as an IOE/Line Check Airman and flew almost exclusively with new hires, many of whom were straight out of the sim checkride. Most of the pilots were in the 400 to 900 hour range, with but a handful of ME hours. Almost all of them had flown nothing larger than a GA light twin. Almost without exception, the new hires had a difficult time adapting to the airplane itself. Their attitudes were great, they had good checklist and systems skills, but the flying part (where a comparative lack of experience shows itself) was really tough for them. The speed of the aircraft, rate of climb, the pace at which things happen, the weight of the controls, just about everything caused them problems. It was not for a lack of trying; they had just never been exposed to anything like that sort of performance or weight before.
Almost without exception, though, they would eventually come around and pass IOE. It simply took far longer - in terms of IOE hours - than it had in the past for the new hires to finish.
Every once in a while I'd get paired up with a new hire who'd come from the corporate ranks, or from another regional like Mesa, and their experience showed; these men and women stepped into the airplanes and were immediately at ease with everything. Giving IOE to them was like taking a vacation.
So, yes, experience (flight hours in more complex, faster airplanes) does usually mean something. Don't be lulled into believing it won't. I had a guy once who (nice young guy) came across as very confident, maybe even a little too confident. He told me he was here to learn and knew it would be a little difficult, but that he felt confident he's pick it up quickly. I just smiled and knew he was in for a surprise. Poor guy. We had a six leg day and this guy was just blasted at the end of day one. I felt bad for him (his ego had been bruised a bit), but told him to keep his chin up and we'd keep working on it; it just takes time to get comfortable flying these things. In the end, he passed, as they almost always do.
Come in with a good attitude, work harder than you've ever worked at anything in your life, spend a lot of time Chair Flying the procedures., and when you pass your checkride and show up for IOE, don't expect to dazzle anybody. In fact be ready to feel a bit swamped. If you come in with a good attitude, and show you want to learn, and show some progress, you'll make it through and will be on your way to a long career as an airline pilot.
Anyway, as far as 900 TT and 75 ME being a low experience level? It is, actually. But that's the new reality in this business and therefore, it is what it is. We, the airlines, have to adapt.
With that being said, up until a couple of years ago I flew as an IOE/Line Check Airman and flew almost exclusively with new hires, many of whom were straight out of the sim checkride. Most of the pilots were in the 400 to 900 hour range, with but a handful of ME hours. Almost all of them had flown nothing larger than a GA light twin. Almost without exception, the new hires had a difficult time adapting to the airplane itself. Their attitudes were great, they had good checklist and systems skills, but the flying part (where a comparative lack of experience shows itself) was really tough for them. The speed of the aircraft, rate of climb, the pace at which things happen, the weight of the controls, just about everything caused them problems. It was not for a lack of trying; they had just never been exposed to anything like that sort of performance or weight before.
Almost without exception, though, they would eventually come around and pass IOE. It simply took far longer - in terms of IOE hours - than it had in the past for the new hires to finish.
Every once in a while I'd get paired up with a new hire who'd come from the corporate ranks, or from another regional like Mesa, and their experience showed; these men and women stepped into the airplanes and were immediately at ease with everything. Giving IOE to them was like taking a vacation.
So, yes, experience (flight hours in more complex, faster airplanes) does usually mean something. Don't be lulled into believing it won't. I had a guy once who (nice young guy) came across as very confident, maybe even a little too confident. He told me he was here to learn and knew it would be a little difficult, but that he felt confident he's pick it up quickly. I just smiled and knew he was in for a surprise. Poor guy. We had a six leg day and this guy was just blasted at the end of day one. I felt bad for him (his ego had been bruised a bit), but told him to keep his chin up and we'd keep working on it; it just takes time to get comfortable flying these things. In the end, he passed, as they almost always do.
Come in with a good attitude, work harder than you've ever worked at anything in your life, spend a lot of time Chair Flying the procedures., and when you pass your checkride and show up for IOE, don't expect to dazzle anybody. In fact be ready to feel a bit swamped. If you come in with a good attitude, and show you want to learn, and show some progress, you'll make it through and will be on your way to a long career as an airline pilot.
Do you think programs like the ATP RJ helps?
Thanks!
10-29-2011 | 09:18 AM
#4245
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Alright you two. Don't make me come stop this car...!
Anyway, as far as 900 TT and 75 ME being a low experience level? It is, actually. But that's the new reality in this business and therefore, it is what it is. We, the airlines, have to adapt.
With that being said, up until a couple of years ago I flew as an IOE/Line Check Airman and flew almost exclusively with new hires, many of whom were straight out of the sim checkride. Most of the pilots were in the 400 to 900 hour range, with but a handful of ME hours. Almost all of them had flown nothing larger than a GA light twin. Almost without exception, the new hires had a difficult time adapting to the airplane itself. Their attitudes were great, they had good checklist and systems skills, but the flying part (where a comparative lack of experience shows itself) was really tough for them. The speed of the aircraft, rate of climb, the pace at which things happen, the weight of the controls, just about everything caused them problems. It was not for a lack of trying; they had just never been exposed to anything like that sort of performance or weight before.
Almost without exception, though, they would eventually come around and pass IOE. It simply took far longer - in terms of IOE hours - than it had in the past for the new hires to finish.
Every once in a while I'd get paired up with a new hire who'd come from the corporate ranks, or from another regional like Mesa, and their experience showed; these men and women stepped into the airplanes and were immediately at ease with everything. Giving IOE to them was like taking a vacation.
So, yes, experience (flight hours in more complex, faster airplanes) does usually mean something. Don't be lulled into believing it won't. I had a guy once who (nice young guy) came across as very confident, maybe even a little too confident. He told me he was here to learn and knew it would be a little difficult, but that he felt confident he's pick it up quickly. I just smiled and knew he was in for a surprise. Poor guy. We had a six leg day and this guy was just blasted at the end of day one. I felt bad for him (his ego had been bruised a bit), but told him to keep his chin up and we'd keep working on it; it just takes time to get comfortable flying these things. In the end, he passed, as they almost always do.
Come in with a good attitude, work harder than you've ever worked at anything in your life, spend a lot of time Chair Flying the procedures., and when you pass your checkride and show up for IOE, don't expect to dazzle anybody. In fact be ready to feel a bit swamped. If you come in with a good attitude, and show you want to learn, and show some progress, you'll make it through and will be on your way to a long career as an airline pilot.
Anyway, as far as 900 TT and 75 ME being a low experience level? It is, actually. But that's the new reality in this business and therefore, it is what it is. We, the airlines, have to adapt.
With that being said, up until a couple of years ago I flew as an IOE/Line Check Airman and flew almost exclusively with new hires, many of whom were straight out of the sim checkride. Most of the pilots were in the 400 to 900 hour range, with but a handful of ME hours. Almost all of them had flown nothing larger than a GA light twin. Almost without exception, the new hires had a difficult time adapting to the airplane itself. Their attitudes were great, they had good checklist and systems skills, but the flying part (where a comparative lack of experience shows itself) was really tough for them. The speed of the aircraft, rate of climb, the pace at which things happen, the weight of the controls, just about everything caused them problems. It was not for a lack of trying; they had just never been exposed to anything like that sort of performance or weight before.
Almost without exception, though, they would eventually come around and pass IOE. It simply took far longer - in terms of IOE hours - than it had in the past for the new hires to finish.
Every once in a while I'd get paired up with a new hire who'd come from the corporate ranks, or from another regional like Mesa, and their experience showed; these men and women stepped into the airplanes and were immediately at ease with everything. Giving IOE to them was like taking a vacation.
So, yes, experience (flight hours in more complex, faster airplanes) does usually mean something. Don't be lulled into believing it won't. I had a guy once who (nice young guy) came across as very confident, maybe even a little too confident. He told me he was here to learn and knew it would be a little difficult, but that he felt confident he's pick it up quickly. I just smiled and knew he was in for a surprise. Poor guy. We had a six leg day and this guy was just blasted at the end of day one. I felt bad for him (his ego had been bruised a bit), but told him to keep his chin up and we'd keep working on it; it just takes time to get comfortable flying these things. In the end, he passed, as they almost always do.
Come in with a good attitude, work harder than you've ever worked at anything in your life, spend a lot of time Chair Flying the procedures., and when you pass your checkride and show up for IOE, don't expect to dazzle anybody. In fact be ready to feel a bit swamped. If you come in with a good attitude, and show you want to learn, and show some progress, you'll make it through and will be on your way to a long career as an airline pilot.
+1 sir..............
10-29-2011 | 09:20 AM
#4246
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From: GV Captain
Alright you two. Don't make me come stop this car...!
Anyway, as far as 900 TT and 75 ME being a low experience level? It is, actually. But that's the new reality in this business and therefore, it is what it is. We, the airlines, have to adapt.
With that being said, up until a couple of years ago I flew as an IOE/Line Check Airman and flew almost exclusively with new hires, many of whom were straight out of the sim checkride. Most of the pilots were in the 400 to 900 hour range, with but a handful of ME hours. Almost all of them had flown nothing larger than a GA light twin. Almost without exception, the new hires had a difficult time adapting to the airplane itself. Their attitudes were great, they had good checklist and systems skills, but the flying part (where a comparative lack of experience shows itself) was really tough for them. The speed of the aircraft, rate of climb, the pace at which things happen, the weight of the controls, just about everything caused them problems. It was not for a lack of trying; they had just never been exposed to anything like that sort of performance or weight before.
Almost without exception, though, they would eventually come around and pass IOE. It simply took far longer - in terms of IOE hours - than it had in the past for the new hires to finish.
Every once in a while I'd get paired up with a new hire who'd come from the corporate ranks, or from another regional like Mesa, and their experience showed; these men and women stepped into the airplanes and were immediately at ease with everything. Giving IOE to them was like taking a vacation.
So, yes, experience (flight hours in more complex, faster airplanes) does usually mean something. Don't be lulled into believing it won't. I had a guy once who (nice young guy) came across as very confident, maybe even a little too confident. He told me he was here to learn and knew it would be a little difficult, but that he felt confident he's pick it up quickly. I just smiled and knew he was in for a surprise. Poor guy. We had a six leg day and this guy was just blasted at the end of day one. I felt bad for him (his ego had been bruised a bit), but told him to keep his chin up and we'd keep working on it; it just takes time to get comfortable flying these things. In the end, he passed, as they almost always do.
Come in with a good attitude, work harder than you've ever worked at anything in your life, spend a lot of time Chair Flying the procedures., and when you pass your checkride and show up for IOE, don't expect to dazzle anybody. In fact be ready to feel a bit swamped. If you come in with a good attitude, and show you want to learn, and show some progress, you'll make it through and will be on your way to a long career as an airline pilot.
Anyway, as far as 900 TT and 75 ME being a low experience level? It is, actually. But that's the new reality in this business and therefore, it is what it is. We, the airlines, have to adapt.
With that being said, up until a couple of years ago I flew as an IOE/Line Check Airman and flew almost exclusively with new hires, many of whom were straight out of the sim checkride. Most of the pilots were in the 400 to 900 hour range, with but a handful of ME hours. Almost all of them had flown nothing larger than a GA light twin. Almost without exception, the new hires had a difficult time adapting to the airplane itself. Their attitudes were great, they had good checklist and systems skills, but the flying part (where a comparative lack of experience shows itself) was really tough for them. The speed of the aircraft, rate of climb, the pace at which things happen, the weight of the controls, just about everything caused them problems. It was not for a lack of trying; they had just never been exposed to anything like that sort of performance or weight before.
Almost without exception, though, they would eventually come around and pass IOE. It simply took far longer - in terms of IOE hours - than it had in the past for the new hires to finish.
Every once in a while I'd get paired up with a new hire who'd come from the corporate ranks, or from another regional like Mesa, and their experience showed; these men and women stepped into the airplanes and were immediately at ease with everything. Giving IOE to them was like taking a vacation.
So, yes, experience (flight hours in more complex, faster airplanes) does usually mean something. Don't be lulled into believing it won't. I had a guy once who (nice young guy) came across as very confident, maybe even a little too confident. He told me he was here to learn and knew it would be a little difficult, but that he felt confident he's pick it up quickly. I just smiled and knew he was in for a surprise. Poor guy. We had a six leg day and this guy was just blasted at the end of day one. I felt bad for him (his ego had been bruised a bit), but told him to keep his chin up and we'd keep working on it; it just takes time to get comfortable flying these things. In the end, he passed, as they almost always do.
Come in with a good attitude, work harder than you've ever worked at anything in your life, spend a lot of time Chair Flying the procedures., and when you pass your checkride and show up for IOE, don't expect to dazzle anybody. In fact be ready to feel a bit swamped. If you come in with a good attitude, and show you want to learn, and show some progress, you'll make it through and will be on your way to a long career as an airline pilot.
10-29-2011 | 09:27 AM
#4247
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10-29-2011 | 12:01 PM
#4249
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What's your point about it not being worth it?
10-29-2011 | 12:41 PM
#4250
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[QUOTE=What;1076955]I flew with a Captain that has over 20,000 hrs worth of experience. We were instructed to taxi a specific route to the ramp, he went to enter the wrong taxiway, I brought it to his attention and before I could get to the brakes he said, we are going this way and almost hit another aircraft. Ground yelled at us since we cut in front of another airplane (the one we almost hit) because the 20,000 hr Captain decided to do whatever he wanted and not following the instructions we were given. I couldn't even fill a NASA report because the crew didn't make a mistake, the crew intentionally utilized the wrong taxi route and put an aircraft as well as the people on board at jeopardy of a collision.
your point is?
your point is?
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