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BrewMaster 12-03-2011 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by The Chow (Post 1096029)
I had a line in November that ended yesterday. For December I'm on reserve and with the carry in trip I'm below my 11 days off. Can I get a day back? If so what is the Sabre entry?

rf 100 rtd

or

Email swaps and drops

Make sure to give them 3 dates to choose from. Try to put it at the end or beginning of a sequence or you could just get a random single day off. Unless you don't care.

theaviator 12-03-2011 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by The Chow (Post 1096033)
The E135 and E140 are the first on the chopping block. Assume 10 pilots per plane. I think Eagle has 70 of those aircraft so that would mean 700 pilots to be furloughed.

Most of our newly upgraded captains are going back to the right seat and most of the 2011 new hires will be on the street.

Eagle will not win any new flying contracts because we have too many people at the top of the pay scale. Can't compete with RAH and GO JET with your average crew having 12 years experience.

This probably isn't far off. Take a look at Comair during Delta's bankruptcy in 2005. I'm not 100% sure, but wasn't it around 300 pilots?

FranksNBeans 12-03-2011 07:08 PM

Anyone have their class starting Monday cancelled yet?

The Chow 12-04-2011 04:29 AM


Originally Posted by theaviator (Post 1096080)
This probably isn't far off. Take a look at Comair during Delta's bankruptcy in 2005. I'm not 100% sure, but wasn't it around 300 pilots?

It was 300 pilots indeed. Three groups of 100 went out the door just in time for the holidays. Actually the last group of 100 was booted on the 9 th of January I think.

mrmak2 12-04-2011 04:52 AM

I don't claim to be an expert in terms of bankruptcy operations, but wouldn't it be counter-productive to just park 70 (est.) airplanes and thereby eliminate revenue? My personal feeling is that this bankruptcy was thought through a long time ago, and Eagle would not have been hiring full speed this long if airplanes were to be parked and not replaced with something else. I am sure there are some unprofitable routes that will be culled, but AMR could have parked the airplanes a long time ago with no consequences even before we were so overstaffed. I just have a hard time believeing that with this opportunity to reduce the labor costs that management has wanted for so long that they are just going to throw away a fully-operational airline (Eagle) in exchange for an unknown feed. So far at least there has been no announcement about capacity reduction beyond the regular 4th quarter stuff.
Also, my understanding is that hiring/classes are technically "on hold" which means they can be resumed at any time. Let's not forget that Eagles' plan was to bid on outside flying and if costs are reduced through this process (I am not advocating this as a good thing) then it is very possible that Eagle will not shrink at all. Let's not panic until we see what we are dealing with.

Wingtips 12-04-2011 05:15 AM


Originally Posted by mrmak2 (Post 1096219)
I don't claim to be an expert in terms of bankruptcy operations, but wouldn't it be counter-productive to just park 70 (est.) airplanes and thereby eliminate revenue? My personal feeling is that this bankruptcy was thought through a long time ago, and Eagle would not have been hiring full speed this long if airplanes were to be parked and not replaced with something else. I am sure there are some unprofitable routes that will be culled, but AMR could have parked the airplanes a long time ago with no consequences even before we were so overstaffed. I just have a hard time believeing that with this opportunity to reduce the labor costs that management has wanted for so long that they are just going to throw away a fully-operational airline (Eagle) in exchange for an unknown feed. So far at least there has been no announcement about capacity reduction beyond the regular 4th quarter stuff.
Also, my understanding is that hiring/classes are technically "on hold" which means they can be resumed at any time. Let's not forget that Eagles' plan was to bid on outside flying and if costs are reduced through this process (I am not advocating this as a good thing) then it is very possible that Eagle will not shrink at all. Let's not panic until we see what we are dealing with.

+1, but too much logic for this website!

Machwon 12-04-2011 06:10 AM

Back in 08 Eagle "CANCELED" their classes and "SUSPENDED" all interviews. If you noticed now they are using the word "on hold". Hopefully this will only be a short stint and things will start back up in the spring.

Fly782 12-04-2011 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1096228)
+1, but too much logic for this website!

Your Kool Aid must have vodka in it, hope I am wrong.

IlliniPilot99 12-04-2011 06:53 AM

just talked to a check airment and 2 sim instructors...initial projections...parking 30-100 planes mostly 135/140's...

according to the Boyd group... AE will be 50-60 planes large by 2016....

good luck to all affected

RJ Pilot 12-04-2011 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by IlliniPilot99 (Post 1096267)
just talked to a check airment and 2 sim instructors...initial projections...parking 30-100 planes mostly 135/140's...

according to the Boyd group... AE will be 50-60 planes large by 2016....

good luck to all affected

Stop posting crap. Its all in the air right now. Again, Instructors and check airmans are NOT managers. And Boyd is an Idiot that for years wants to see AE fail.


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