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Old 02-21-2012 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by babs
I don't know if this has been posted anywhere, but this seems to confirm that the ATR will in fact be gone by the end of 2013.

Pulled this from AMR's 10-K filing:

In accordance with Section 1110 of the Bankruptcy Code, the Company is currently negotiating with creditors and lessors to restructure certain of its existing financings to reduce its debt burden and optimize its fleet. As of December 31, 2011, the Company had rejected 24 aircraft leases relating to 20 MD-80 aircraft and four Fokker 100 aircraft. In addition, since December 31, 2011, the Company has rejected an additional 9 aircraft leases and mortgages relating to one MD-80 aircraft, seven Boeing 757-200 aircraft, and one Airbus A300-600R aircraft. In addition, the Company filed a motion with the Bankruptcy Court to modify the leases of the Super ATR aircraft. As of February 15, 2012, 21 of the aircraft had been returned to the lessor as allowed under the modified agreement. The remaining 18 aircraft will be returned to the lessor during 2012 and 2013. In January 2012, American entered into agreements under Section 1110(a) of the Bankruptcy Code to retain 350 aircraft, including Boeing 737-800, Boeing 757-200, Boeing 767-300ER, Boeing 777-200ER, Bombardier CRJ-700, and McDonnell Douglas MD-80 aircraft on the terms provided in the related financing documents.
So, the EMBs are gone too? It says they're retaining 350 aircraft...
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Old 02-21-2012 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DENpilot
So, the EMBs are gone too? It says they're retaining 350 aircraft...
No, the lease terms on the EMBs are still being negotiated. The 350 aircraft they are retaining are the ones they have elected to keep so far. The rest have yet to be negotiated...if my understanding is correct.
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Old 02-21-2012 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by babs
No, the lease terms on the EMBs are still being negotiated. The 350 aircraft they are retaining are the ones they have elected to keep so far. The rest have yet to be negotiated...if my understanding is correct.
You are correct, AMR spelled it out for employees in one of the last news letter! They are still negotiating 1/2 of the AMR fleet!
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Old 02-21-2012 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DENpilot
So, the EMBs are gone too? It says they're retaining 350 aircraft...
No, the lease terms on the EMBs are still being negotiated. The 350 aircraft they are retaining are the ones they have elected to keep so far. The rest have yet to be negotiated...if my understanding is correct.
The way it's written does make it sound a little gray..could be taken either way really...but my guess is they're still trying to work out everything down in Brazil...
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Old 02-21-2012 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jumpseat2024
The way it's written does make it sound a little gray..could be taken either way really...but my guess is they're still trying to work out everything down in Brazil...
It's not a guess, I know we do a lot of speculations in these forums but this is spelled out by the company as well as Embraer!

http://english.alrroya.com/content/a...l-jets-embraer

UPDATE 1-American Airlines in talks over Brazil debt - report | Reuters

http://www.amrcaseinfo.com/pdflib/1200_15463.pdf

This information has also been shared with employees by the company. They have stated they are negotiating the ERJ leases and will be looking to properly size the regional feed. Until APA signs a TA we will probably not hear anymore information.
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Old 02-22-2012 | 05:56 AM
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Yes I've heard the same thing about the flaps 22 T/O. Heard MIA base would be trained first & it would probably be a captain only maneuver. Don't know about any timelines though.
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Old 02-22-2012 | 09:21 AM
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I hear it's mainly just for Key West.
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Old 02-22-2012 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by jumpseat2024
they're still trying to work out everything down in Brazil...

...not much negotiation during carnival week!!!
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Old 02-23-2012 | 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by meeko031
...not much negotiation during carnival week!!!
Au contraire! Carnival might be the BEST time to negotiate...with incriminating photos of course.
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Old 02-24-2012 | 11:12 AM
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Miami ATR base.... gone.
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