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Old 02-24-2012 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by flysooner9
Take a chil man. Also your dreaming if you think AMR will be out of bankruptcy by summer.
Summer......where'd you get that idea ?
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Old 02-24-2012 | 06:32 PM
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eaglegly--what can you say. he was at AE and flowed recently to AA. The door to the street is close to him. Comair style scenario, what a crock of BS he and all others that say that sling. Comair went on strike, AE has a no strike clause, and the MEC will sign another letter to that effect (guaranteed). So what Comair scenario.

Let's see how many of those new aircraft on order (all leased) actually show up to AA. Airbus, AA can sublease them to jet Blue, B737, AA can sublease them to West Jet and Alaska, why well because that is where all the domestic code share flying will go from AA.
Remember TH says they will grow internationally not domestically. If AA can get the same amount of passengers and profit on the international flight with out the expense of transporting them to the international flight (code share) then thats what they will do.

eaglefly take your slanted views back to APA. AA will do what it wants, there is nothing that AE can do to stop it. But I will give you a scenario for you.

AA can attract pilots with 1500 hours when the new rules go into effect, great for AA.
AA has 5 feeders, great for AA.
All feeders have to hire the same pilot with 1500 hours as AA has to.
When the retirements kick in and there is a major exodus from the feeders to mainlines, who will replace those pilots. For that matter, how can a feeder attract them.
Is AA going to give flowthrough rights to all feeders to AA, so they can have an attracting point for the applicant. Remember, if the feeder has no pilots, there is no feed to AA. Before you get that hard one, AA will not replace the feeder even after BK you will still be more expensive than the feeders.

So, lets see, JB has taken over the BOS flying for AA from AE, and APA got nothing.
Alaska is increasing there codeshare with AA and what did APA get, nothing.
West Jet, AE is pulling out of markets in Canada and being replaced by West Jet ( an AA codeshare partner).
JB has taken over the SJU market and APA got nothing.

Seems more than likely AA will have a few feeders (maybe) but definitely an increased amount of codesharing and route transfer to code share partners from the great AA.

New colors for the oneworld alliance. All aircraft in the fleet painted in pearl color and the word in big bold lettering on the side, ONEWORLD and in small print somewhere near the lav operated by Iberia, on domestic US routes.

Bud, you better look in your own backyard for help rather than coming here to pass on the fear and intimidation.
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Old 02-24-2012 | 07:45 PM
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Yet another displacement bid to come, ugh. It's like musical chairs around here!
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Old 02-25-2012 | 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
eaglegly--what can you say. he was at AE and flowed recently to AA. The door to the street is close to him. Comair style scenario, what a crock of BS he and all others that say that sling. Comair went on strike, AE has a no strike clause, and the MEC will sign another letter to that effect (guaranteed). So what Comair scenario.

Let's see how many of those new aircraft on order (all leased) actually show up to AA. Airbus, AA can sublease them to jet Blue, B737, AA can sublease them to West Jet and Alaska, why well because that is where all the domestic code share flying will go from AA.
Remember TH says they will grow internationally not domestically. If AA can get the same amount of passengers and profit on the international flight with out the expense of transporting them to the international flight (code share) then thats what they will do.

eaglefly take your slanted views back to APA. AA will do what it wants, there is nothing that AE can do to stop it. But I will give you a scenario for you.

AA can attract pilots with 1500 hours when the new rules go into effect, great for AA.
AA has 5 feeders, great for AA.
All feeders have to hire the same pilot with 1500 hours as AA has to.
When the retirements kick in and there is a major exodus from the feeders to mainlines, who will replace those pilots. For that matter, how can a feeder attract them.
Is AA going to give flowthrough rights to all feeders to AA, so they can have an attracting point for the applicant. Remember, if the feeder has no pilots, there is no feed to AA. Before you get that hard one, AA will not replace the feeder even after BK you will still be more expensive than the feeders.

So, lets see, JB has taken over the BOS flying for AA from AE, and APA got nothing.
Alaska is increasing there codeshare with AA and what did APA get, nothing.
West Jet, AE is pulling out of markets in Canada and being replaced by West Jet ( an AA codeshare partner).
JB has taken over the SJU market and APA got nothing.

Seems more than likely AA will have a few feeders (maybe) but definitely an increased amount of codesharing and route transfer to code share partners from the great AA.

New colors for the oneworld alliance. All aircraft in the fleet painted in pearl color and the word in big bold lettering on the side, ONEWORLD and in small print somewhere near the lav operated by Iberia, on domestic US routes.

Bud, you better look in your own backyard for help rather than coming here to pass on the fear and intimidation.
If you think AMR is going to roll out the red carpet for Eagle, you're in denial. They're going to use several regional carriers to fly their future RJ's. Eagle will simply be but one and since it will be only a percentage in the future, it's almost certain to be much smaller then present. But it's nice to another Eagle pilot salivating at stealing anothers flying and perhaps even their airplanes. You've given me your opinion on AA's doom and gloom (much of which isn't even of your own, but what others have told you). You've gotten mine on Eagle's. I'm dealing with mine, I'd suggest you get ready to deal with yours. It's sad to see what's become of Eagle, now apparently infested with pilots like you drooling like cujo the dog with greed.

Perhaps if you're lucky, you'll get to steal some of United or Delta's flying too. I'm sure that would give you and your fellow minions a real warm and fuzzy.

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Old 02-25-2012 | 05:00 AM
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Im glad I didn't flowthru.
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Old 02-25-2012 | 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
Im glad I didn't flowthru.
Yes regardless of what happens here, a newer, shiner and larger jet MAY be coming your way (depending on your seniority). But, then so will a smaller paycheck to fly it. Not only will all those extra seats of revenue NOT put any more money in your pocket, you'll actually be putting a cherry on managment's cake from your income.

Don't like it ?

I don't see any leverage Eagle pilots have to change that, because partner.........in Whipsaw City, Texas, you have to be among the CHEAPEST to keep your flying and thus your job. I hear they're going to approve payroll deduct for kneepads !

Enjoy the remainder of your career.
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Old 02-25-2012 | 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
If you think AMR is going to roll out the red carpet for Eagle, you're in denial. They're going to use several regional carriers to fly their future RJ's. Eagle will simply be but one and since it will be only a percentage in the future, it's almost certain to be much smaller then present. But it's nice to another Eagle pilot salivating at stealing anothers flying and perhaps even their airplanes. You've given me your opinion on AA's doom and gloom (much of which isn't even of your own, but what others have told you). You've gotten mine on Eagle's. I'm dealing with mine, I'd suggest you get ready to deal with yours. It's sad to see what's become of Eagle, now apparently infested with pilots like you drooling like cujo the dog with greed.

Perhaps if you're lucky, you'll get to steal some of United or Delta's flying too. I'm sure that would give you and your fellow minions a real warm and fuzzy.
"I guess the foot's on the other hand now, isn't it, Kramer?" Welcome to the Bigs, Eaglefly.

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Old 02-25-2012 | 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by jsled
"I guess the foot's on the other hand now, isn't it, Kramer?" Welcome to the Bigs, Eaglefly.

Sled
Actually, if I had to make the same decision today, I'd still leave Eagle. The writing is on the wall there and as bad as things might get here, they will be worse there.

Think of it this way; If AA simply becomes Eagle, I've made lateral move that keeps my pay and schedule at least as good as it was, instead going down. Eagle was good for me though. My schedule allowed me to start and run two businesses on the side, BOTH of which made me more money then flying. Although I only have one now, I am blessed with not depending on flying for an income. A mid-seven figure investment portfolio and virtually no debt also helps.

Thanks for the welcome, though. I figure I had to at least try life on the "other side" before I left the industry. It seems the year I spent here is the last vestages of that life and soon, I'll work for just another LCC, with medocre pay and a 401(k) just like you. The poor pilots in the 25-40 range have the worst of all deals. Spending your career flying larger RJ's only to see all that extra ca$h go somewhere else will only be less painful then doing that for a decade or more and then finally moving to a former major that isn't much better (that's IF they ever leave due to shrinking mainline ops). Choking up $50-75,000 extra greenbacks in college to do it, makes it absurd. The other guys at their colleges making twice the dough for half the investment have to be shaking their heads.

Let's face it..........it isn't even a career any more, it's now just a job on par with the average Home Improvement store manager except you're away from home more often. My neighbor does HVAC and doesn't even own the company and makes more then most mainline captains today. Sad, but that's where we are now. If AMR gets their term sheet, UAL and DAL won't be far behind and then you too will retire at a regional carrier that just doesn't have any RJ's.

Then, I'll be able to welcome YOU to the regionals.
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Old 02-25-2012 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Actually, if I had to make the same decision today, I'd still leave Eagle. The writing is on the wall there and as bad as things might get here, they will be worse there.

Think of it this way; If AA simply becomes Eagle, I've made lateral move that keeps my pay and schedule at least as good as it was, instead going down. Eagle as good for me though. My schedule allowed me to start and run two businesses on the side, BOTH of which made me more money then flying. Although I only have one now, I am blessed with not depending on flying for an income. A mid-seven figure investment portfolio and virtually no debt also helps.

Thanks for the welcome, though. I figure I had to at least try life on the "other side" before I left the industry. It seems the year I spent here is the last vestages of that life and soon, I'll work for just another LCC, with medocre pay and a 401(k) just like you. The poor pilots in the 25-40 range have the worst of all deals. Spending your career flying larger RJ's only to see all that extra ca$h go somewhere else will only be less painful then doing that for a decade or more and then finally moving to a former major that isn't much better (that's IF they ever leave due to shrinking mainline ops).

Let's face it..........it isn't even a career any more, it's now just a job on par with the average Home Improvement store manager except you're away from home more often. Sad, but that's where we are now. If AMR gets their term sheet, UAL and DAL won't be far behind and then you too will retire at a regional carrier that just doesn't have any RJ's.
Karma...read up on it. Thump your chest hard enough and it can result in a coronary..
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Old 02-25-2012 | 07:14 AM
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eaglefly you need a life your on here typing way too much stuff ALL THE TIME. Have you ever been checked for bipolar, esp. the mania part?

Its just airplanes and airlines, like most jobs, it sucks, and has followed a national trend. Your going to give yourself a heart attack.

Why don't you worry about AA and less about AE, you discredit yourself coming here. Your like that idiot from Colgan who comes here and gets off on the idea of them getting Q400 flying because of us parking our ATRs.

I also heard from a union guy that AMR is trying to drop CHQ in BK and try and make them compete for a new contract on the same flying.
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