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Old 10-17-2010 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Slaphappy
Talking about merging all three groups will be the center piece of any new attempt by alpa to try and hijack skywest. The majority of skywest pilots are very much against this proposion. This is why another alpa attempt will fail.

I just don't understand why some of you think now all of a sudden a drive at skywest would work when the last one only got 35%. Tons of pro-union guys have left, and if you think the vocal spoiled 34XXX or 35XXX numbers or the clowns from chicago are the majority you're fooling yourself. Even with the new unenthical voting rules the new turnout will still have alpa voted down. Just look at the pay proposal, it had more support from the pilots than alpa does. I know many people that were against alpa but voted no anyway but I don't anyone that was for alpa that voted for this pay package. Of course there has to be a drive for there to be a vote and a handfull of people who call themselves the "organizing comitee" not supported by alpa doesn't make it so.

I don't understand why all the people who whine about how bad skywest is just don't leave. ASA, Eagle and a bunch of other regionals are hiring. Why don't you guys go there? You wouldn't lose much seniorty since most are junior guys on reserve anyway. You all knew skywest wasn't union when you came here, so why did you even apply?
How exactly are the new rules unethical? if you don't care enough to vote, then you have no right to complain about the outcome. Regarding ALPA, i know they don't have a pristine record but you do realize that our leadership (if we unionize) will be comprised of Skywest pilots, not ALPA national? You seem to be happy with our current so-called representation, wouldn't you be happier if they actually had some leverage? I know that regionals is where careers go to settle, but why settle for the continuing errosion of compensation and QOL at Skywest.
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Old 10-17-2010 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Slaphappy
Talking about merging all three groups will be the center piece of any new attempt by alpa to try and hijack skywest. The majority of skywest pilots are very much against this proposion. This is why another alpa attempt will fail.

I just don't understand why some of you think now all of a sudden a drive at skywest would work when the last one only got 35%. Tons of pro-union guys have left, and if you think the vocal spoiled 34XXX or 35XXX numbers or the clowns from chicago are the majority you're fooling yourself. Even with the new unenthical voting rules the new turnout will still have alpa voted down. Just look at the pay proposal, it had more support from the pilots than alpa does. I know many people that were against alpa but voted no anyway but I don't anyone that was for alpa that voted for this pay package. Of course there has to be a drive for there to be a vote and a handfull of people who call themselves the "organizing comitee" not supported by alpa doesn't make it so.

I don't understand why all the people who whine about how bad skywest is just don't leave. ASA, Eagle and a bunch of other regionals are hiring. Why don't you guys go there? You wouldn't lose much seniorty since most are junior guys on reserve anyway. You all knew skywest wasn't union when you came here, so why did you even apply?
The new voting rules are unethical? That is probably the funniest thing I've ever seen you write! That is freaking hilarious!

If someone is too lazy to get off their rump and vote then it shouldn't count, period. If anything, the previous rules were unethical.

The new voting rules are unethical. That's hilarious.
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Old 10-17-2010 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
The new voting rules are unethical? That is probably the funniest thing I've ever seen you write! That is freaking hilarious!

If someone is too lazy to get off their rump and vote then it shouldn't count, period. If anything, the previous rules were unethical.

The new voting rules are unethical. That's hilarious.
Johnso, I'm sure deep down Slap doesn't believe any of the stuff he writes. I think he has just gone past of no return to save face. Could you imagine a world where slap acknolwedged he had gone off the deep end?
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Old 01-16-2011 | 11:19 AM
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will the new pay package pass this time?
CRJ Pay Rates
• Captain base rate increase of 1.5%.
• First Officer* base rate increase of 1.0%
• BHO split and increase for CRJ Captains and FOs
• CRJ 700 BHO increased from 5% to 6%
• CRJ 900 BHO increased from 5% to 8%
• EMB 170/175 rate no longer included
EMB Pay Rates
• Captain base rate increase of 3.0%.
• First Officer* base rate increase of 8.0 %
FO Pay Scales Extended
• First Officer pay scales for CRJ and EMB extended from 7 years to 8 years.
Additional yearly increase for ALL* pay scales
• Additional 1.5% increase on Jan 1, 2012
• Additional 1.5% increase on Jan 1, 2013

Productivity Improvements
• Minimum Daily Guarantee for all pilots increased from 3:45 (3.75 hrs) to 3:57 (3.95 hrs).
(Effective April 1, 2011)
▫ Reserves will be scheduled 19 duty days per bid period.
▫ Reserves must still reach 75 hours to “break guarantee”.
Other Changes
• The Company agrees to provide language in the Pilot Policy Manual that will provide scope
protection for SkyWest pilots and aircraft. Initially this language will be equivalent to the language
in the ASA pilot contract. Upon completion of the ASA/XJT JCBA any improvements on the
current language will also be adopted in the SkyWest Pilot policy manual.
• The Company agrees to maintain a PPO health care option for at least the duration of the
contract. The Company agrees to offer health care benefits at least equivalent to those
negotiated in the ASA/XJT JCBA.
• The Company agrees to offer a 401k benefit no less than what was offered in 2010. Upon
completion of the ASA/XJT JCBA, the Company agrees to provide a 401k benefit no less than
the ASA/XJT agreement. (Differences in vesting schedule and discretionary contributions
between the SkyWest and ASA/XJT plan will be considered in the valuation of the two plans.).
• Per diem increase to $1.70 effective January 1, 2011
• Per diem increase to $1.75 on July 1, 2012
• Pilot only Policy Manual
▫ SAPA/SIA split of current Crewmember Policy Manual
▫ Pilot Policy Manual scheduled to be complete by 02/01/2011
• PBS Improvements (Anticipated implementation date of April 1, 2011)
▫ PBS option to bid down to 58.6 hours/month (lowest credit value to be considered fulltime).
▫ PBS option to request 11 hours between pairings in domicile (PBS default is 9 hours
between pairings)
▫ PBS option to put in a preference for composite lines (comparable to the Flight Attendant
option already in place)
▫ PBS default to limit the assigning of two duty periods in one calendar day (a pilot can
waive this restriction)
 Does not apply to a stand-up pairing following another stand-up
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Old 01-16-2011 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by RJDio
• The Company agrees to provide language in the Pilot Policy Manual that will provide scope
protection for SkyWest pilots and aircraft. Initially this language will be equivalent to the language
in the ASA pilot contract. Upon completion of the ASA/XJT JCBA any improvements on the
current language will also be adopted in the SkyWest Pilot policy manual.

• The Company agrees to maintain a PPO health care option for at least the duration of the
contract. The Company agrees to offer health care benefits at least equivalent to those
negotiated in the ASA/XJT JCBA.

• The Company agrees to offer a 401k benefit no less than what was offered in 2010. Upon
completion of the ASA/XJT JCBA, the Company agrees to provide a 401k benefit no less than
the ASA/XJT agreement.
(Differences in vesting schedule and discretionary contributions
between the SkyWest and ASA/XJT plan will be considered in the valuation of the two plans.)
Wow that's blatant.
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Old 01-16-2011 | 11:34 AM
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The company is trying to create good out of nothing. I believe according to federal law, at a non-union company like us, benefits are supposed to be equal for all the work groups. Basically pilots cannot have better benefits than FA or rampers over mechanics and so on. Therefore the PPO and 401k that they are proposing in the pay package will have to be offered to the entire company. Which means its not something special for pilots only, but they are sure presenting it that way.
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Old 01-16-2011 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
Wow that's blatant.
I'm glad you said it.

What coup for the usual union bashers. On the one hand, they'll have the benefit that they always have. Riding the coattails of the organized labor's negotiations to improve their "policy manual" language.

On the other, they can say "look, the union failed to negotiate good language and now we're stuck with it. What a failure of organized labor"

Now, cue all the usual suspects that LOVE to hate the carriers that have organized labor.
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Old 01-16-2011 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by RJDio
will the new pay package pass this time?
CRJ Pay Rates
• Captain base rate increase of 1.5%.
• First Officer* base rate increase of 1.0%
• BHO split and increase for CRJ Captains and FOs
• CRJ 700 BHO increased from 5% to 6%
• CRJ 900 BHO increased from 5% to 8%
• EMB 170/175 rate no longer included
EMB Pay Rates
• Captain base rate increase of 3.0%.
• First Officer* base rate increase of 8.0 %
FO Pay Scales Extended
• First Officer pay scales for CRJ and EMB extended from 7 years to 8 years.
Additional yearly increase for ALL* pay scales
• Additional 1.5% increase on Jan 1, 2012
• Additional 1.5% increase on Jan 1, 2013

Productivity Improvements
• Minimum Daily Guarantee for all pilots increased from 3:45 (3.75 hrs) to 3:57 (3.95 hrs).
(Effective April 1, 2011)
▫ Reserves will be scheduled 19 duty days per bid period.
▫ Reserves must still reach 75 hours to “break guarantee”.
Other Changes
• The Company agrees to provide language in the Pilot Policy Manual that will provide scope
protection for SkyWest pilots and aircraft. Initially this language will be equivalent to the language
in the ASA pilot contract. Upon completion of the ASA/XJT JCBA any improvements on the
current language will also be adopted in the SkyWest Pilot policy manual.
• The Company agrees to maintain a PPO health care option for at least the duration of the
contract. The Company agrees to offer health care benefits at least equivalent to those
negotiated in the ASA/XJT JCBA.
• The Company agrees to offer a 401k benefit no less than what was offered in 2010. Upon
completion of the ASA/XJT JCBA, the Company agrees to provide a 401k benefit no less than
the ASA/XJT agreement. (Differences in vesting schedule and discretionary contributions
between the SkyWest and ASA/XJT plan will be considered in the valuation of the two plans.).
• Per diem increase to $1.70 effective January 1, 2011
• Per diem increase to $1.75 on July 1, 2012
• Pilot only Policy Manual
▫ SAPA/SIA split of current Crewmember Policy Manual
▫ Pilot Policy Manual scheduled to be complete by 02/01/2011
• PBS Improvements (Anticipated implementation date of April 1, 2011)
▫ PBS option to bid down to 58.6 hours/month (lowest credit value to be considered fulltime).
▫ PBS option to request 11 hours between pairings in domicile (PBS default is 9 hours
between pairings)
▫ PBS option to put in a preference for composite lines (comparable to the Flight Attendant
option already in place)
▫ PBS default to limit the assigning of two duty periods in one calendar day (a pilot can
waive this restriction)
 Does not apply to a stand-up pairing following another stand-up


Holy Piggyback! Must be great to work for an airline where you don't have to negotiate work rules and pay.
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Old 01-16-2011 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by captain beefy
Holy Piggyback! Must be great to work for an airline where you don't have to negotiate work rules and pay.
Yeah, instead they just ride the coat tails of unionized pilot groups further dragging down the industry by not improving their own contract.
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Old 01-16-2011 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by captain beefy
Holy Piggyback! Must be great to work for an airline where you don't have to negotiate work rules and pay.
But no one has mentioned the key point here! Because Skywest is not a union carrier, MANAGEMENT CAN TAKE IT ALL AWAY just as quick as they've given it. Talk about riding on the coattails of ALPA!

Some of the other benefits that Skywest continues to get without any element of contribution:

CASS (developed by ALPA in conjunction with the Feds)
Crew Pass (where available, also developed by ALPA in conjunction with the smurf police)
New Rest regulations (also developed through the facilitation of data provided by ALPA carriers, with only a 5% provided by non-union carriers.

Should I go on? What has that "student council" called SAPA done?
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