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09-17-2010 | 04:32 AM

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Spoilers

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Originally Posted by liveupthere

If hiring would to start today...would DEN be hard to hold?

Why would you even want to work there? You want to fly an E-190 from MKE-LAX for $23-37/hr?

What a joke.

09-17-2010 | 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LAXSAAB

Do not come here! You will be flying a 100 seat aircraft for poverty wages! The 100 seat arbitration results came out today, and we lost to BB and his goones.

Actually, Local 747 union leadership got the arbitrator's ruling on August 4th but didn't want to tell the membership until now.

09-18-2010 | 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Spoilers

Why would you even want to work there? You want to fly an E-190 from MKE-LAX for $23-37/hr?

What a joke.

That's not even the worst part of working here. It almost seems like management wants us to have poor qol. Furthermore, the top dogs of this company go out of their way to belittle their pilots while preaching unrelated Christian religious ethics in company material.

They work us like dogs, treat us like kids, pay us crap and expect us to be Jesus Christ.

Stay away!

09-18-2010 | 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Joachim

I agree with this, but it's a way to get some quick PIC time. The upgrade time was less than 2 years a few years ago.

09-18-2010 | 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by F9 Driver

Actually, Local 747 union leadership got the arbitrator's ruling on August 4th but didn't want to tell the membership until now.

That ruling can carry some serious consequences since the arbitrator basically said it's a "turbo jet" pay scale and not a per seat pay scale on the FO side. Bedford is now free to put E-195s (or new Airbus deliveries) on the Republic side and not pay the FOs anything more. Sure he'll have to pay the captain's a little more but even if the captain's E-195 wages (or new Airbus deliveries) ended up matching the E-190 wages at B6 (as an example) he'll still have a huge cost advantage on the FO side.

All the more reason the SLI can't be derailed and a for JCBA to negotiated quickly that is closer to the F9 contract.

09-18-2010 | 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

I agree with this, but it's a way to get some quick PIC time. The upgrade time was less than 2 years a few years ago.

And that - in a nutshell - is why this industry is in the toilet. Pay me crap wages, it doesn't matter, I get quick PIC time. Sad.

09-18-2010 | 10:07 AM

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And that - in a nutshell - is why this industry is in the toilet. Pay me crap wages, it doesn't matter, I get quick PIC time. Sad.

Thats how it always was.

The means of getting to the goal has differed with the times, however the principle remains. At first it was mail runs, then military, then cargo, then commuters; today its the regionals.

09-18-2010 | 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by PurdueFlyer

This seems to be the normal thinking over on your side. Spewing incorrect information that is so far off it's laughable. Before you give out false advise use the search button and educate yourself.

09-18-2010 | 12:09 PM

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This seems to be the normal thinking over on your side. Spewing incorrect information that is so far off it's laughable. Before you give out false advise use the search button and educate yourself.

What do you mean on my side? I'm not employed by F9 or RAH.

What's wrong with wanting to see a JCBA (modeled after F9s) and a SLI? Do you honestly think that staying separate from the RAH side will help you?

If this is true:

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

Did you actually expect a different result? I personally thought the captains had a chance at a raise, but the first officers pay is based on "all jet aircraft." You are also looking at probably close to 5 years until you see a new contract if not longer.

Then there is no legal reason why Bedford has to give a raise to RAH FOs since anything larger than a E-190 is still a jet aircraft. Whether that be C-Series, E-195, or new delivery A320s. Why on earth would he give new aircraft to your side when he can give it to the other side, paint Frontier on the side and pass it off as the same thing, just with $37/hour FOs.

If the above statement is true about "all jet aircraft" that is very disturbing. You are of course free to do what you want but if their is still a faction at F9 that wants to remain separate, they do so at their own risk.