Pinnacle/Colgan/Mesaba TA Countdown
#1191
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 900
Likes: 0
From: A320 FO
Not much higher in the believability chain, IMO.
Now, for the JNC communication, it almost generates more questions than answers from the 9E guys. Right now, we can refuse one extension a month with no limit in the year. Did we just go to 1 per month but only 3 times a year? I'd have busted through that in March this year. Does the company get to drop us an extra day no matter what. No pilot will be reduced below 10 days off without his consent, but I thought we were getting min days off of 11? Will there be transparency to make sure they've gone through every reserve before JAing? They're supposed to "exhaust all other options" before escalating a home reserve to ready now, but good luck proving it. Also, the definition of extension is nearly the same definition that DW twisted. As of now, if you're supposed to be done at noon on a JFK-DTW leg, but they put you on a JFK-BUF-DTW that gets you back at 4, it's not an extension.....it's SCHEDULE CHANGE and isn't refusable because it's not really "additional flying," even though it gets you back 3+ hours later. Unless we get that loophole closed, the language isn't that much tighter.
It's gonna come down to exact contract language for me.
Now, for the JNC communication, it almost generates more questions than answers from the 9E guys. Right now, we can refuse one extension a month with no limit in the year. Did we just go to 1 per month but only 3 times a year? I'd have busted through that in March this year. Does the company get to drop us an extra day no matter what. No pilot will be reduced below 10 days off without his consent, but I thought we were getting min days off of 11? Will there be transparency to make sure they've gone through every reserve before JAing? They're supposed to "exhaust all other options" before escalating a home reserve to ready now, but good luck proving it. Also, the definition of extension is nearly the same definition that DW twisted. As of now, if you're supposed to be done at noon on a JFK-DTW leg, but they put you on a JFK-BUF-DTW that gets you back at 4, it's not an extension.....it's SCHEDULE CHANGE and isn't refusable because it's not really "additional flying," even though it gets you back 3+ hours later. Unless we get that loophole closed, the language isn't that much tighter.
It's gonna come down to exact contract language for me.
#1192
#1193
Not much higher in the believability chain, IMO.
Now, for the JNC communication, it almost generates more questions than answers from the 9E guys. Right now, we can refuse one extension a month with no limit in the year. Did we just go to 1 per month but only 3 times a year? I'd have busted through that in March this year. Does the company get to drop us an extra day no matter what. No pilot will be reduced below 10 days off without his consent, but I thought we were getting min days off of 11? Will there be transparency to make sure they've gone through every reserve before JAing? They're supposed to "exhaust all other options" before escalating a home reserve to ready now, but good luck proving it. Also, the definition of extension is nearly the same definition that DW twisted. As of now, if you're supposed to be done at noon on a JFK-DTW leg, but they put you on a JFK-BUF-DTW that gets you back at 4, it's not an extension.....it's SCHEDULE CHANGE and isn't refusable because it's not really "additional flying," even though it gets you back 3+ hours later. Unless we get that loophole closed, the language isn't that much tighter.
It's gonna come down to exact contract language for me.
Now, for the JNC communication, it almost generates more questions than answers from the 9E guys. Right now, we can refuse one extension a month with no limit in the year. Did we just go to 1 per month but only 3 times a year? I'd have busted through that in March this year. Does the company get to drop us an extra day no matter what. No pilot will be reduced below 10 days off without his consent, but I thought we were getting min days off of 11? Will there be transparency to make sure they've gone through every reserve before JAing? They're supposed to "exhaust all other options" before escalating a home reserve to ready now, but good luck proving it. Also, the definition of extension is nearly the same definition that DW twisted. As of now, if you're supposed to be done at noon on a JFK-DTW leg, but they put you on a JFK-BUF-DTW that gets you back at 4, it's not an extension.....it's SCHEDULE CHANGE and isn't refusable because it's not really "additional flying," even though it gets you back 3+ hours later. Unless we get that loophole closed, the language isn't that much tighter.
It's gonna come down to exact contract language for me.
#1194
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 900
Likes: 0
From: A320 FO
Wait for the 100+ page section to read. The definition of a JA and Ext are different. It's a good section but you have to read it as a pilot, do not read it as a comparison. It's a different way everyone is accustomed to in scheduling. The guys who want to work extra will have every opportunity, those who don't can refuse, and if you get forced it's limited and VERY rich for the pilot. The company will spend a ton if they try and staff with the plan of JA and EXT as they do now (at 9E).
Good to hear. Looking forward to reading it, and you KNOW how I read that stuff.
If it's gonna be an adjustment for the pilots, imagine how the poor schedulers are gonna be."Nuh, uh. We can. You NFA'ed."
"Okay, per the new CBA, you can't do that. So, thanks for the day off, and I'll take it up with the base manager."
#1195
:-)
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,339
Likes: 1
Good to hear. Looking forward to reading it, and you KNOW how I read that stuff.
If it's gonna be an adjustment for the pilots, imagine how the poor schedulers are gonna be.
"Nuh, uh. We can. You NFA'ed."
"Okay, per the new CBA, you can't do that. So, thanks for the day off, and I'll take it up with the base manager."
If it's gonna be an adjustment for the pilots, imagine how the poor schedulers are gonna be."Nuh, uh. We can. You NFA'ed."
"Okay, per the new CBA, you can't do that. So, thanks for the day off, and I'll take it up with the base manager."
#1196
Wait for the 100+ page section to read. The definition of a JA and Ext are different. It's a good section but you have to read it as a pilot, do not read it as a comparison. It's a different way everyone is accustomed to in scheduling. The guys who want to work extra will have every opportunity, those who don't can refuse, and if you get forced it's limited and VERY rich for the pilot. The company will spend a ton if they try and staff with the plan of JA and EXT as they do now (at 9E).
Good to know we just got the highlights because I had several questions:
Is JA pay 200% PLUS draft pay? We currently get 3.75 hours plus credit flown. Would that become 3.75 plus credit flown times 2 or just credit times two?
Does JA pay go TOWARD guarantee or OVER?
Max JA is three duty periods per month, so could a three-day trip be considered ONE JA?
#1197
:-)
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,339
Likes: 1
Good to know we just got the highlights because I had several questions:
Is JA pay 200% PLUS draft pay? We currently get 3.75 hours plus credit flown. Would that become 3.75 plus credit flown times 2 or just credit times two?
Does JA pay go TOWARD guarantee or OVER?
Max JA is three duty periods per month, so could a three-day trip be considered ONE JA?
Is JA pay 200% PLUS draft pay? We currently get 3.75 hours plus credit flown. Would that become 3.75 plus credit flown times 2 or just credit times two?
Does JA pay go TOWARD guarantee or OVER?
Max JA is three duty periods per month, so could a three-day trip be considered ONE JA?
#1198
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 900
Likes: 0
From: A320 FO
That's how I understood it when one of the negotiators was explaining it. You get 200% of the greater of time flown or the min day.
#1200
:-)
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,339
Likes: 1
11, I would have liked to have seen at least 12 though. I expect section 3 to be done soon. Insurance and the vacation slide will be an uphill battle methinks.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post



