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Old 12-16-2010 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by weaseljet
It wasn't FF,,it was MM.
Not much higher in the believability chain, IMO.

Now, for the JNC communication, it almost generates more questions than answers from the 9E guys. Right now, we can refuse one extension a month with no limit in the year. Did we just go to 1 per month but only 3 times a year? I'd have busted through that in March this year. Does the company get to drop us an extra day no matter what. No pilot will be reduced below 10 days off without his consent, but I thought we were getting min days off of 11? Will there be transparency to make sure they've gone through every reserve before JAing? They're supposed to "exhaust all other options" before escalating a home reserve to ready now, but good luck proving it. Also, the definition of extension is nearly the same definition that DW twisted. As of now, if you're supposed to be done at noon on a JFK-DTW leg, but they put you on a JFK-BUF-DTW that gets you back at 4, it's not an extension.....it's SCHEDULE CHANGE and isn't refusable because it's not really "additional flying," even though it gets you back 3+ hours later. Unless we get that loophole closed, the language isn't that much tighter.

It's gonna come down to exact contract language for me.
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Old 12-16-2010 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ebl14
The picketing worked! Let's keep it up!
Way to underplay the effort of the JNC and the hours they have put in.

I hope this does not become "The only reason you guys have a contract is because we picketed while you MSA and CJC guys stood by and did nothing."
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Old 12-16-2010 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Kellwolf
Not much higher in the believability chain, IMO.

Now, for the JNC communication, it almost generates more questions than answers from the 9E guys. Right now, we can refuse one extension a month with no limit in the year. Did we just go to 1 per month but only 3 times a year? I'd have busted through that in March this year. Does the company get to drop us an extra day no matter what. No pilot will be reduced below 10 days off without his consent, but I thought we were getting min days off of 11? Will there be transparency to make sure they've gone through every reserve before JAing? They're supposed to "exhaust all other options" before escalating a home reserve to ready now, but good luck proving it. Also, the definition of extension is nearly the same definition that DW twisted. As of now, if you're supposed to be done at noon on a JFK-DTW leg, but they put you on a JFK-BUF-DTW that gets you back at 4, it's not an extension.....it's SCHEDULE CHANGE and isn't refusable because it's not really "additional flying," even though it gets you back 3+ hours later. Unless we get that loophole closed, the language isn't that much tighter.

It's gonna come down to exact contract language for me.
Wait for the 100+ page section to read. The definition of a JA and Ext are different. It's a good section but you have to read it as a pilot, do not read it as a comparison. It's a different way everyone is accustomed to in scheduling. The guys who want to work extra will have every opportunity, those who don't can refuse, and if you get forced it's limited and VERY rich for the pilot. The company will spend a ton if they try and staff with the plan of JA and EXT as they do now (at 9E).
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Old 12-16-2010 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by higney85
Wait for the 100+ page section to read. The definition of a JA and Ext are different. It's a good section but you have to read it as a pilot, do not read it as a comparison. It's a different way everyone is accustomed to in scheduling. The guys who want to work extra will have every opportunity, those who don't can refuse, and if you get forced it's limited and VERY rich for the pilot. The company will spend a ton if they try and staff with the plan of JA and EXT as they do now (at 9E).

Good to hear. Looking forward to reading it, and you KNOW how I read that stuff. If it's gonna be an adjustment for the pilots, imagine how the poor schedulers are gonna be.

"Nuh, uh. We can. You NFA'ed."
"Okay, per the new CBA, you can't do that. So, thanks for the day off, and I'll take it up with the base manager."
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Old 12-16-2010 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Kellwolf
Good to hear. Looking forward to reading it, and you KNOW how I read that stuff. If it's gonna be an adjustment for the pilots, imagine how the poor schedulers are gonna be.

"Nuh, uh. We can. You NFA'ed."
"Okay, per the new CBA, you can't do that. So, thanks for the day off, and I'll take it up with the base manager."
That JA language is very close to what we have currently at XJ, and it has worked well for us in the past. They can take you down to 10 dyas off, but they have to give you a comp day that you agree to. I got JA down to 10 days in June and used my comp day to take the 4th of July off.
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Old 12-16-2010 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by higney85
Wait for the 100+ page section to read. The definition of a JA and Ext are different. It's a good section but you have to read it as a pilot, do not read it as a comparison. It's a different way everyone is accustomed to in scheduling. The guys who want to work extra will have every opportunity, those who don't can refuse, and if you get forced it's limited and VERY rich for the pilot. The company will spend a ton if they try and staff with the plan of JA and EXT as they do now (at 9E).

Good to know we just got the highlights because I had several questions:

Is JA pay 200% PLUS draft pay? We currently get 3.75 hours plus credit flown. Would that become 3.75 plus credit flown times 2 or just credit times two?

Does JA pay go TOWARD guarantee or OVER?

Max JA is three duty periods per month, so could a three-day trip be considered ONE JA?
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Old 12-16-2010 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
Good to know we just got the highlights because I had several questions:

Is JA pay 200% PLUS draft pay? We currently get 3.75 hours plus credit flown. Would that become 3.75 plus credit flown times 2 or just credit times two?

Does JA pay go TOWARD guarantee or OVER?

Max JA is three duty periods per month, so could a three-day trip be considered ONE JA?
If you were JA'ed on a day off you would get the greater of 8 hours of pay or double credit flown on top of guarantee. i.e. if you are JA'ed and fly 2 hrs you get 8hrs pay, if you fly say 4.5hrs, you get 9hrs of pay.
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Old 12-16-2010 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
If you were JA'ed on a day off you would get the greater of 8 hours of pay or double credit flown on top of guarantee. i.e. if you are JA'ed and fly 2 hrs you get 8hrs pay, if you fly say 4.5hrs, you get 9hrs of pay.

That's how I understood it when one of the negotiators was explaining it. You get 200% of the greater of time flown or the min day.
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Old 12-16-2010 | 12:19 PM
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I have to admit I'm really surprised that Scheduling was TA'd. This is the kind of progress worth postponing a picketing event.

One small highlight left out of the email... min days off are???
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Old 12-16-2010 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by FuriousG
I have to admit I'm really surprised that Scheduling was TA'd. This is the kind of progress worth postponing a picketing event.

One small highlight left out of the email... min days off are???
11, I would have liked to have seen at least 12 though. I expect section 3 to be done soon. Insurance and the vacation slide will be an uphill battle methinks.
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