Pinnacle/Colgan/Mesaba TA Countdown
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09-17-2010, 05:41 AM
#24
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Both the Mesaba agreement and the Pinnacle TA sections have some great, good, bad, etc. The goal at the end is that we all have a contract that is ratifiable and all sides would be happy to work under. Obviously there are many factors that make up that definition, and also VERY few who have read the entire MSA contract and PCL TA+ Sections. Many don't really know what the good, bad, and ugly of each contract contains. It's not just money, it's not just language. Each pilot has different "important" parts of a 31 section and hundreds of pages long contract. This group will be almost 3,000 pilots- don't get bogged down by what a handful from each group may say. Get sourced info, it's coming out almost daily at this point.
09-17-2010, 12:28 PM
#25
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Originally Posted by higney85
Both the Mesaba agreement and the Pinnacle TA sections have some great, good, bad, etc. The goal at the end is that we all have a contract that is ratifiable and all sides would be happy to work under. Obviously there are many factors that make up that definition, and also VERY few who have read the entire MSA contract and PCL TA+ Sections. Many don't really know what the good, bad, and ugly of each contract contains. It's not just money, it's not just language. Each pilot has different "important" parts of a 31 section and hundreds of pages long contract. This group will be almost 3,000 pilots- don't get bogged down by what a handful from each group may say. Get sourced info, it's coming out almost daily at this point.
09-17-2010, 07:30 PM
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anybody know if the rest of the furloughed mesaba guys are going to pinnacle? i heard they weren't going to colgan... well, at least not with the preferential hiring agreement mngmt worked out.
09-17-2010, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
(copied from the Pinnacle hiring thread)
Mesaba plus is a great idea but to expect Mesaba pay at all three carriers + 4% + even more is a bit much and most likely wont happen
WRONG!
I would have been happy getting up to Mesaba's rates when Colgan was by itself. Pinnacle CORP knew when they purchased Mesaba, they would be paying no less than Mesaba wages. We must negotiate as if we already had Mesaba's contract and push for appropriate increases.
A 7th year CA and 3rd year FO (Saab) at Mesaba earn a combined $90 pre hour. A 4% increase is $3.50 total for both crew members.... or about 20 CENTS per hour per passenger assuming 17 pax per flight. Certainly, that ticket increase would NOT stop many people from flying.
It WILL happen IF we push hard enough!
Mesaba plus is a great idea but to expect Mesaba pay at all three carriers + 4% + even more is a bit much and most likely wont happen
WRONG!
I would have been happy getting up to Mesaba's rates when Colgan was by itself. Pinnacle CORP knew when they purchased Mesaba, they would be paying no less than Mesaba wages. We must negotiate as if we already had Mesaba's contract and push for appropriate increases.
A 7th year CA and 3rd year FO (Saab) at Mesaba earn a combined $90 pre hour. A 4% increase is $3.50 total for both crew members.... or about 20 CENTS per hour per passenger assuming 17 pax per flight. Certainly, that ticket increase would NOT stop many people from flying.
It WILL happen IF we push hard enough!
09-18-2010, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by BornToFly
Did anybody else read the latest e-mail, that said they were going for an industry leading contract? Now does that mean what we think it means or is it another one of those infamous interpretations.
09-18-2010, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ohboyeightyone
can someone explain this in laments terms please...im not sure of all the accronyms =)
"As you know, we are working on an expedited timeframe which commenced this week in our first meeting with management in Atlanta , GA. This expedited timeframe, as currently outlined, calls for negotiations to be completed by November 15, 2010......With respect to the JCBA, if we reach a TA with management, pending approval from all three MECs, it will be sent to the pilot groups for ratification. Should the JCBA negotiations not prove fruitful, the PCL and CJC pilots will return to their Section 6 and Section 2 status respectively, and the MSA agreement will continue in its current form."
thanks
"As you know, we are working on an expedited timeframe which commenced this week in our first meeting with management in Atlanta , GA. This expedited timeframe, as currently outlined, calls for negotiations to be completed by November 15, 2010......With respect to the JCBA, if we reach a TA with management, pending approval from all three MECs, it will be sent to the pilot groups for ratification. Should the JCBA negotiations not prove fruitful, the PCL and CJC pilots will return to their Section 6 and Section 2 status respectively, and the MSA agreement will continue in its current form."
thanks
TA = Tentative Agreement (when the negotiating committee reaches a deal with management but it has not been ratified by the MEC and pilots)
MEC = Master Executive Council (the ruling body of the airline's union)
PCL = Pinnacle
CJC = Colgan
MSA = Mesaba
Is that what you were looking for?
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