Pinnacle/Colgan/Mesaba TA Countdown
12-11-2010 | 10:43 AM
#1021
Line Holder
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,775
Likes: 18
It does not have to be a "with us or against us" all or nothing view. A MSA or CJC pilot can indeed support PCL pilots without supporting the decision of the PCL MEC. Just as a PCL pilot can disagree with CJC's FastRead and still support the Colgan pilots.
And as your MEC speaks for you, as does mine. Hopefully when this is all done we will not have a Airways/West issue. I really hope not.
And as your MEC speaks for you, as does mine. Hopefully when this is all done we will not have a Airways/West issue. I really hope not.
I'm simply telling you that much like the majority that voted down the contract, the majority of the pilots at Pinnacle wanted to see picketing, NOW!
If the MEC had not picketed, recall rumors would be abounding, since if the elected leaders don't do as their constituents ask of them, they're not worth having in office.
12-11-2010 | 10:46 AM
#1022
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 691
Likes: 0
You do realize that this is the first time in the history of ALPA that ALPA airlines told their pilots NOT to support another ALPA carrier? FedEx didn't have a problem supporting us. Thought I might have seen an ASA guy a time or two, but I didn't have a chance to look closer. Given the fact that ALPA's bureaucracy is notoriously slow, I'm not surprised a picketing event announced on Monday for 4 days later didn't make it onto any official statements. If National starts frowning on individual MEC picketing events, they're gonna lose more than just US Airways. IMO, saying that National is against it is grasping at straws.
12-11-2010 | 10:48 AM
#1023
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,244
Likes: 0
From: CL-65 captain
9e PILOTS have been demading a picket for the last few months when the other "deadlines" were not met by the company. Had this deadline come and went, there would have been riots toward our MEC had they not decided to picket this time. That is one thing you other guys need to understand....
12-11-2010 | 10:52 AM
#1024
Line Holder
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 75
Likes: 0
From: Q CA
Except for the fact it has been proven time and again that the Pinnacle management group have not and will not bargain in good faith. It's just that the Mesaba and Colgan negotioating teams refuse to acknowledge it. I don't enjoy burying my head in the sand. Hard to breathe down there. This is all about the Pinnacle pilot group, they've been dealing with these idiots for years. We have only been dealing with them for a few years or a few months respectively.
You know what they say about those who fail to learn from history. It only took one missed deadline to confirm what I suspected all along. How long are all three pilot groups going to continue to suffer until the rest of the negotiating team gets it? I'd love to see a JCBA finished in a week. I think the chance of that happening is the same as getting hired as a street captain on the MD11 at FedEx. IOW, it's not going to happen.
You know what they say about those who fail to learn from history. It only took one missed deadline to confirm what I suspected all along. How long are all three pilot groups going to continue to suffer until the rest of the negotiating team gets it? I'd love to see a JCBA finished in a week. I think the chance of that happening is the same as getting hired as a street captain on the MD11 at FedEx. IOW, it's not going to happen.
12-11-2010 | 10:54 AM
#1025
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 939
Likes: 0
Again, this mentality of the world revolving around 9E continues. The other two pilot groups are not supporting you? Or you aren't supporting the other two pilot groups? Let me ask you this, why are you picketing? I thought there were 3 pilot groups involved here, all 3 trying to get a joint contract. By stating that the the other pilot groups involved in the negotiations failed to support your carrier it shows that you think this issue is only about your carrier. It shows your selfishness and lack of cooperation in these negotiations. If your MEC truly wanted unity in these negotiations they would have heeded to a democratic vote of the MECs. I'm sorry you and and a vocal minority of your pilot group fail to realize this isn't all about you and your pilot group.
12-11-2010 | 10:57 AM
#1026
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,244
Likes: 0
From: CL-65 captain
Except for the fact it has been proven time and again that the Pinnacle management group have not and will not bargain in good faith. It's just that the Mesaba and Colgan negotioating teams refuse to acknowledge it. I don't enjoy burying my head in the sand. Hard to breathe down there. This is all about the Pinnacle pilot group, they've been dealing with these idiots for years. We have only been dealing with them for a few years or a few months respectively.
You know what they say about those who fail to learn from history. It only took one missed deadline to confirm what I suspected all along. How long are all three pilot groups going to continue to suffer until the rest of the negotiating team gets it? I'd love to see a JCBA finished in a week. I think the chance of that happening is the same as getting hired as a street captain on the MD11 at FedEx. IOW, it's not going to happen.
You know what they say about those who fail to learn from history. It only took one missed deadline to confirm what I suspected all along. How long are all three pilot groups going to continue to suffer until the rest of the negotiating team gets it? I'd love to see a JCBA finished in a week. I think the chance of that happening is the same as getting hired as a street captain on the MD11 at FedEx. IOW, it's not going to happen.
12-11-2010 | 10:57 AM
#1027
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,630
Likes: 0
From: Up Front
I could have sworn they had a chupacabra on there.
12-11-2010 | 11:05 AM
#1028
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 691
Likes: 0
So does it show that the XJ MEC thinks it revolves around them when they called the Colgan MEC and told them that if they participate in the picket that XJ would not help support them in getting what they want in the contract, just intimidating Colgan into not participating?
12-11-2010 | 11:24 AM
#1030
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 202
Likes: 0
What has the 9E MEC been telling its pilots?
Highlights of the latest CJC Update:
· Scope protections that ensure our job security and completely prevent the whipsawing of one carrier against another, including any carrier newly crafted or purchased by Holdings
· Date-of-signing pay rates that include immediate raises for almost all positions along with a split F/O pay scale
· An increase in minimum days off to 11 days for all positions, including reserve lines
· A minimum credit of 4 hours for each duty period worked, including reserves
· Industry-leading retirement
· Long call reserve
Just wondering if all parties were getting the same information, because I hear a lot of 9E guys complaining that nothing major has been agreed to yet.
Highlights of the latest CJC Update:
· Scope protections that ensure our job security and completely prevent the whipsawing of one carrier against another, including any carrier newly crafted or purchased by Holdings
· Date-of-signing pay rates that include immediate raises for almost all positions along with a split F/O pay scale
· An increase in minimum days off to 11 days for all positions, including reserve lines
· A minimum credit of 4 hours for each duty period worked, including reserves
· Industry-leading retirement
· Long call reserve
Just wondering if all parties were getting the same information, because I hear a lot of 9E guys complaining that nothing major has been agreed to yet.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
