Really?

I didn't realize that, I thought it was a system wide vote, I'll have to pull up the fastreads again.

 

The Colgan reps are level headed and sharp folks- I really don't see them taking a "Torpedo NO" to a JCBA unless it was something horrendous, which inherently would not pass the MSA or PCL MEC's. The beauty of a JNC comprised of all 3 groups is each group is able to ensure their MEC's needs, wants, and desires are being looked into while the deal comes together. In speaking with the members of the JNC many times I think all the pilots are in great hands at the table. It's a matter of time to see if all the pieces can come together.

 

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Guys I dont understand why everyone is getting so bent out of shape and how non mesaba guys are telling them that they are not going to get anything. You have to understand that PNCL needs this contract. Until November 15th is here and we are told that we are a long ways off, why not have some hope that this place is changing? I see no reason why are union is not going after a good contract that everyone will be happy with. I personally thing that PNCL knew this was going to happen a long time ago and tried to delay as long as possible to be in this situation, and for them they got what they want and now they will be negotating seriously for the first time. The failed TA was a gift to us and now i believe that the mec's of 9e xj, and 9l are going to get us something good.

 

You are not going to hear anythign that you want to hear until november 14th, the heavy stuff is being negotiated right now and they will be quiet until something big happens positive or negative

 

I'm by no means a lawyer, and I am very thankful to my union reps for organizing and learning everything they do, because all of this is mind boggling at times.

This is from the MEC Protocol statement:

A combined membership ratification vote means to me that we all vote as one group, but I could be mistaken.

 

That is correct. Each of the MECs vote to ratify it. Once it makes it past the individual MECs then it is sent to the 3000 pilots to vote on. The vote needs 1501 to pass, no matter how each airlines votes.

 

Mesaba can junior man but then you are entitled to a "comp day" basically, you get, with agreement of scheduling, to then drop a day on the front or back of a stretch of days.
I would personally say that there should not be ANY forced JM. If you don't have enough people, recall the furloughs or hire. I don't care if they can call to ask but there should be NO penalty for saying nope not interested.
I want to see, as far as the company/scheduling is concerned 12 days is the minimum, period. If I choose to drop down, fine. And yes once my schedule is published, the off days are OFF. No floating off days to bail them out for poor staffing or a lousy planning department.
Yes currently anyone with an 11 day off line is limited to only picking up a day trip. The problem is at least on the jet, there are no worthwhile day trips and no way to cherrypick anything off a longer pairing because almost everything leaves the base first leg day one and doesn't come back til last leg day four. Day trips scheduling creates end up with deadheads (that only pay 50% so they still don't usually go over min day, but that's another fight.)

 

In the end we are in the same boat as far as days off- you cannot be forced to fly in any of them after your bid is out. The concern is the min day off (you want 12, what is in negotiations is 11). The issue still remains in what you are "allowed" to work voluntarily. By what I am reading from you the idea of 12 min and ability to work down to 10 with a pickup (to include the overnight- I understand what you are saying about day trips being a hard find). Mesaba has limits on what you can pick up, PCL does not. That is the difference here.

 

I find it amazing that people on this board think its ok to fly a 74 seat plane for 50 seat rates. Don't forget you may be flying the Q400 soon.

I will look at the whole deal when it comes out and vote based on all the issues just like everyone else....but lets face it PAY is one of the biggest issue in a contract.