Pinnacle/Colgan/Mesaba TA Countdown
11-01-2010, 08:49 AM
#431
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Originally Posted by yodafly
I find it amazing that people on this board think its ok to fly a 74 seat plane for 50 seat rates. Don't forget you may be flying the Q400 soon.
I will look at the whole deal when it comes out and vote based on all the issues just like everyone else....but lets face it PAY is one of the biggest issue in a contract.
I will look at the whole deal when it comes out and vote based on all the issues just like everyone else....but lets face it PAY is one of the biggest issue in a contract.
There are way more issues than just pay scales to look at, and we are not getting them all fixed in this negotiation.
Companies pay Turboprops less then jets, it's a battle we must wage, but not this time.
We need to get the best rates overall that we can get out of this negotiation.
If the -200 pays very well, the Q400 will pay well.
XJ rates are a good starting point, don't expect much more than that.
11-01-2010, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by higney85
In the end we are in the same boat as far as days off- you cannot be forced to fly in any of them after your bid is out. The concern is the min day off (you want 12, what is in negotiations is 11). The issue still remains in what you are "allowed" to work voluntarily. By what I am reading from you the idea of 12 min and ability to work down to 10 with a pickup (to include the overnight- I understand what you are saying about day trips being a hard find). Mesaba has limits on what you can pick up, PCL does not. That is the difference here.
11-01-2010, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by jayray2
I realize we aren't going to get a SWA style contract with 15 days off, or whatever they get, but currently the "negotiations" are at 11? That is a huge disappointment. How is this negotiating? We already get 11 days off. Negiotating is asking for 2 extra days off and then compromising at 12. Keeping the status quo on uniform pay and per diem and days off, where are the small gains I kept hearing about?
I would like mesabas days off. I would like to have mesabas min day. I would like to have mesabas retirement. Those are not gains for mesaba, they already have that.
combine the two and everyone gets some of the same and some of the gains.
11-01-2010, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Airsupport
If you get our healthcare that will be a big gain for you. If you get our commuter policy that allows other airlines to count towards the two that is a gain. If you get our vacation slide policy that is a gain. Those items are not gains for us, that is what we already have.
I would like mesabas days off. I would like to have mesabas min day. I would like to have mesabas retirement. Those are not gains for mesaba, they already have that.
combine the two and everyone gets some of the same and some of the gains.
I would like mesabas days off. I would like to have mesabas min day. I would like to have mesabas retirement. Those are not gains for mesaba, they already have that.
combine the two and everyone gets some of the same and some of the gains.
Throw in XJ rates plus a little bump........
I'd vote yes.
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11-01-2010, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
And this is probably really close to what the TA will look like.
Throw in XJ rates plus a little bump........
I'd vote yes.
Throw in XJ rates plus a little bump........
I'd vote yes.
11-01-2010, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by RightSide
To each there own, but that would not be enough for me to vote yes. I think it is going to take more than that to sway the XJ guys..
But I believe that if this TA doesn't go backwards for XJ, and after the MEC explains the gains it is for 9E, that it will pass.
None of these MEC guys are going to sign off on something that one group will like and the other absolutely hates.
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11-01-2010, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by RightSide
To each there own, but that would not be enough for me to vote yes. I think it is going to take more than that to sway the XJ guys..
11-01-2010, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Airsupport
so whats it going to take to sway the xj guys?
11-01-2010, 02:47 PM
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What abut 12 days off on months with 31 calendar days( that would occur 7 times next year) and 11 days off with months with less than 31...something maybe to entertain...BTW Time Off Without Pay offered at Mesaba today for all Saab pilots and MSP CRJ900 FO's 
11-01-2010, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by higney85
In the end we are in the same boat as far as days off- you cannot be forced to fly in any of them after your bid is out. The concern is the min day off (you want 12, what is in negotiations is 11). The issue still remains in what you are "allowed" to work voluntarily. By what I am reading from you the idea of 12 min and ability to work down to 10 with a pickup (to include the overnight- I understand what you are saying about day trips being a hard find). Mesaba has limits on what you can pick up, PCL does not. That is the difference here.
Furthermore, the company will then plan on pilots to be picking up opentime, so in the end, why would they properly staff the airline. If Pinnacle and Colgan used Mesaba staffing models and work rules, it would create roughly 1.5 new jobs for every Pinnalce and Colgan aircraft. That is more upgrades and more jobs.
Just because it is legal, doesn't mean it is right. Maybe we should hold ourselves to a little higher standard than the FAA.
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