Originally Posted by higney85

Be on the call tonight.

Originally Posted by TristarJS30

Forgive my ignorance, but are Colgan pilots allowed on the call tonight? I haven't heard a peep out of my MEC since the deadline passed other than a short comment recognizing said passing (quite some time later).

Originally Posted by TristarJS30

Not defending PapaMike, don't even know who he is... but don't forget the majority of pilots hired at Colgan since summer 2009 have ALPA experience as furloughed "brothers."

Originally Posted by bored

Flapshalfspeed - Don't you think it's a little short sighted to already want to vote NO on something we haven't seen? Not to mention for 2 items? We should be voting on this contract based on it's entire value and what it will bring to us as individuals and pilot group.

For example... we only have 2.5 hours/mo of sick time at XJ. But we also have a COMPANY PAID short term disability program that we can go to after 3 days of being sick. I'd take my reduced monthly accrual and my company funded short term over your increased sick bank earnings any day. And for vacation... I'm all for your slide, but is it worth keeping if it means giving something else up? Especially when at XJ, without a slide we can turn one block into well over 7 days?

My point is that negotiations are give and take. We're blending the best of 2 contracts here. If there are overall gains that meet our needs, we should be voting on that and not one piece of it in particular. As an XJ pilot the TA presented to me as a whole, at a minimum MUST be my current XJ contract or better.

Originally Posted by MunkyButtr

No offense Sir, but you are new to this. You (Colgan) are new to the Union concept. A Union in our sense (airlines), is a group of elected pilots working FOR the pilot GROUP. Every single person who has voiced their opinion on this website is in some way justified. Granted, some of things they say may be rude, attacking, or flaming, but all the same justified. Our Union has been telling US for years that progress is being made. Six years later progress is "still being made." The pilots at 9E have every single right to be upset and frustrated and maybe more guys should step up and do more about it. We are accused of being all talk, I get that, but all the other pilot groups need to back off. You at Colgan should be showering both Pinnacle and Mesaba with support because to be honest you guys have the absolute most to gain from this. None of your posts show any support, none. I don't know your Union guys, they may be awesome! But our guys haven't proven anything to us and that is our business. If we want to vent on a silly discussion board then so be it. We don't come into your crew room and "complain" so back off. What Continental and United are doing has NOTHING to do with what Pinnacle Corp. is doing. Its not even in the same league. They have their issues and we have ours and right now our guys are getting fed up to no end. Have you been in a 9E crew room or cockpit? Morale is shot, whats left of the morale is to simply keep on trucking to put food on the table. To find out you are from Colgan and the things you are saying shows that you have no intention of backing anyone. You just want to sit and accuse having never been there. Must be easy sitting back and bashing your "brothers."

Originally Posted by PapaMike

It was mentioned in an earlier post by someone but I'll throw it out there too, I don't understand why all the guys on here will basterdize the company for not getting things done in 45 days and then get livid that it wasn't done in an additional 3 days, yet complain like mad when those origional numbers were thrown out saying how it was never going to be done in such a small time frame. Had they initially came out with a february or march date, most of you would have probably been ok with that, thinking that it was realistic. I swear you guys just want to complain.

Originally Posted by MunkyButtr

...point is that they will find a way to get what they want.

Originally Posted by MunkyButtr

Your intial post, obviously directed towards 9E pilots. I read it. Had they come out with a Feb or March date initially, then maybe it would have been different. Maybe more "complaining" as you so put about why so long. The Union has been communicating a lot more recently, but its quality, not quantity that we want. Even you, being at Colgan, honestly had to question the 45 day deadline if you had been paying attention to the history of negotiations. No one at 9E has any reason to believe anything would be different. Our management team is smart. They will find a way to work with three carriers if we don't agree to the contract they want. They found a way to get new airplanes into the market didn't they? i.e. the purchase of Colgan and the subsequent birth of Pinnacle CORP. Please don't take that as a "those are our airplanes" comment. The planes say operated by Colgan, point is that they will find a way to get what they want.