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Old 02-11-2011, 09:06 AM   #21  
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For everyone hired prior to 7-01-2010, all 3 lists are to be integrated with XJ furloughs keeping their original XJ hire date for SLI

(how the 3 lists are integrated is being negotiated between the 3 SLI committees now)

Everyone hired after 7-01-2010 is strictly DOH
Is this the way the sli is expected to go? DOH for everyone? Colgan, Pinnacle and Mesabah. Many have said no fences, so I would assume after the sli any opening on any ac(turboprop or jet) will be open to doh seniority bidding.
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Is this the way the sli is expected to go? DOH for everyone? Colgan, Pinnacle and Mesabah. Many have said no fences, so I would assume after the sli any opening on any ac(turboprop or jet) will be open to doh seniority bidding.
We don't know how they will integrate the 3 lists, DOH or relative seniority or a combination of the 2, they are negotiating this now.

My post just had the starting point of negotiations, this is information we already have.
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While I agree with Mesaba pilots being offered a job at 9E while they were furloughed, but they should not be placed ahead of any active 9E pilot hired before 7/1/2010 during SLI. I feel that SE went out of his way to please ALPA National at the expense of his junior pilots.
I never stated (and I don't know) where the furloughs will be placed in relation to active PCL and CJC pilots as of 7/1/10. The only known factor right now is that any PCL, CJC, or MSA pilots hired AFTER 7/1/10 will be sorted by DOH.
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Why does everyone think that guys have "eyes for national" just for doing a union position?
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Old 02-11-2011, 12:12 PM   #25  
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Cause everyone knows you guys are always out drinking scotch, smokin cubans on some TPC golf course somewhere. It would only make sense to continue that till retirement
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Can anyone point me in the direction of where to look in the TA where it says we cannot be bumped from current seat/base during the SLI?
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Cause everyone knows you guys are always out drinking scotch, smokin cubans on some TPC golf course somewhere. It would only make sense to continue that till retirement
Darn, I knew I was missing out on perks somewhere. I haven't swung a club since last july due to union work.

If it was that nice I would continue doing it, or trying at least.
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Can anyone point me in the direction of where to look in the TA where it says we cannot be bumped from current seat/base during the SLI?
Its not in the JCBA. Its in the Protocol Agreement between the ALPA groups. At PCL, the agreement is posted under the Merger Committee tab at pclmec.alpa.org. To be correct, it says no bumping as a result of the SLI.
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Why does everyone think that guys have "eyes for national" just for doing a union position?

yeah that's kinda like saying an alderman for the City of Tupelo automatically wants to be President of the United States of America, the most powerful nation in the universe!
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To be correct, it says no bumping as a result of the SLI.
That's a very important point because it doesn't say no bumping as a result of aircraft reductions or realignments. Otherwise you could invoke section 24 A.24.b, which allows you to remain in domicile even if displaced until all junior non-bumped pilots are displaced. The company would not be able to staff any of the new york domiciles when the Saab goes away in such a case. So, Yes when the Saabs leave you can be bumped out of you position if the person being displaced is senior to you regardless of fences or anything to do with the SLI.

So far Colgan pilots have the best advantage since Delta is sending our aircraft towards their domiciles.
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