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Old 02-14-2011, 06:42 AM   #41  
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Yeah, SrfNFly227 got the intent of my post. That whole concept of giving up your seniority number doesn't do a whole lot of anything. Lot's of guys "gave up" their numbers and have gone back to their previous employers and I don't have any problem with that. My point was to say that if you were furloughed then you had an expectation of going back(maybe) to that company once things picked up and they needed more guys and you would have gone back to the bottom of the list which is right where you left it.

Why is it that you think the guys who WERE at the bottom of the list and should come back anywhere but the bottom? Obviously if you came back and took a position at 9E or 9L you would no longer be considered as furloughed but then you would still retain the origional number at the bottom of your origional list. Which would of course be above those hired after july 1.
Because they were at the bottom of the XJ list, not this 3 headed monster we are about to have.

They are entitled to be merged fairly with the same criteria as everyone else, and that includes their original XJ DOH.
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If Mesaba Pilots were given recall notice and did not return then they would be at the bottom (if they got hired). But that didn't occur. Thankfully PapaMike has no tangible ability to affect the integration of furlough pilots. His lack of contract knowledge would be the company's dream come true.
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If Mesaba Pilots were given recall notice and did not return then they would be at the bottom (if they got hired). But that didn't occur. Thankfully PapaMike has no tangible ability to affect the integration of furlough pilots. His lack of contract knowledge would be the company's dream come true.
Is that even a coherent thought?

Bottom line is the XJ furloughees are going to be at the bottom of the list regardless(above the july 1 line in the sand). Whether or not they are stuck below the currently active guys or just blended in with them isn't going to amount to a whole lot of difference anyway. Just my opinion that if they had expectations to be at the bottom, then that's where they should be if they didn't take a position at 9E or 9L. I'm not advocating they go behind the guys hired after July 1.
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Because they were at the bottom of the XJ list, not this 3 headed monster we are about to have.

They are entitled to be merged fairly with the same criteria as everyone else, and that includes their original XJ DOH.

Traditionally, though, where have furloughs fallen during a merged seniority list? If the furloughed XJ pilots were merged with their original DOH regardless of furlough status, it would be a change in how that's historically been handled.
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Traditionally, though, where have furloughs fallen during a merged seniority list? If the furloughed XJ pilots were merged with their original DOH regardless of furlough status, it would be a change in how that's historically been handled.
Just because people have been screwed over in the past doesn't mean it's it's right to continue that way.
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I want to post a graph of where people may fall in the new company, one for straight relative seniority and one for straight DOH, so people can see the extremes of where they may fall.

But I need seniority dates for Colgan pilots.

Can someone give me the hire dates (month and year) of the pilots at seniority numbers 46, 93, 185, 277, and 370?
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I want to post a graph of where people may fall in the new company, one for straight relative seniority and one for straight DOH, so people can see the extremes of where they may fall.

But I need seniority dates for Colgan pilots.

Can someone give me the hire dates (month and year) of the pilots at seniority numbers 46, 93, 185, 277, and 370?
I hope you know that either of those two options alone would completely misrepresent some very large groups in each list. The best method to screw each pilot equally would be some type of blend. That should be our goal, equal screwing.

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I hope you know that either of those two options alone would completely misrepresent some very large groups in each list. The best method to screw each pilot equally would be some type of blend. That should be our goal, equal screwing.

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I believe it will be a blend of the 2 also, but the way it will be blended is being negotiated now.

I want to show both ends of the spectrum (relative and DOH), and people can see a range of where their seniority may be in a general sense.
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I want to post a graph of where people may fall in the new company, one for straight relative seniority and one for straight DOH, so people can see the extremes of where they may fall.

But I need seniority dates for Colgan pilots.

Can someone give me the hire dates (month and year) of the pilots at seniority numbers 46, 93, 185, 277, and 370?
I thought you were a colgan pilot. No?
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I thought you were a colgan pilot. No?
Nope, I'm at XJ.
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