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Old 02-10-2011, 05:01 PM   #11  
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Hey Scott Thanks for looking out for YOUR fellow Pinnacle Pilots (Sarcasm)!
So would throwing the XJ furloughs under the bus make you happy?

It still amazes me how crappy pilots can be toward one another.
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Sometimes people are bitter when they get fired for stealing and the union doesn't back them up.
Ahhh, so not about XJ furloughs getting a fair deal, thank you.
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Ahhh, so not about XJ furloughs getting a fair deal, thank you.
It's a pretty sweet deal, if you think about it. Hopefully it sets a precedent within the industry in regards to the pilot unions to bring people back without putting them at the bottom.
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Ahhh, so not about XJ furloughs getting a fair deal, thank you.
One could argue they are getting a fair deal. Before they were furloughed they were the bottom of the list with zero bidding power and in danger of being furloughed (so in danger that they were furloughed).

If they are placed above ALL hires post 7/1 they now re-appear into the seniority list with a job as well as increased bidding power (no longer the bottom of the list) as well as a larger network to bid across. They are also no longer in nearly as much danger of being furloughed as there are now a good amount of pilots below them.

Who knows how this will all shake out but to say anyone is sticking it to the furloughs is a bit of a stretch.
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Ahhh, so not about XJ furloughs getting a fair deal, thank you.
I think the Mesaba Furloughs are getting more than a fair deal, infact I think it will come at the expense of the bottom 100 at pinnacle (DOHs before 7/1/2010) with regards to SLI... While I agree with Mesaba pilots being offered a job at 9E while they were furloughed, but they should not be placed ahead of any active 9E pilot hired before 7/1/2010 during SLI. I feel that SE went out of his way to please ALPA National at the expense of his junior pilots.
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I think the Mesaba Furloughs are getting more than a fair deal, infact I think it will come at the expense of the bottom 100 at pinnacle (DOHs before 7/1/2010) with regards to SLI... While I agree with Mesaba pilots being offered a job at 9E while they were furloughed, but they should not be placed ahead of any active 9E pilot hired before 7/1/2010 during SLI. I feel that SE went out of his way to please ALPA National at the expense of his junior pilots.
I don't agree, being furloughed or not should have no bearing on how someone is placed on a seniority list, especially in our case where none are going to remained furloughed.

If they were going to continue to have people on furlough I could see your argument, but the fact that we need pilots desperately negates that line of thought.

This is an equal merger and the XJ furloughs deserve to have their original XJ DOH considered in any SLI arrangement.

I don't think Scott took anyones side over another, it was the right thing to do.
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I don't agree, being furloughed or not should have no bearing on how someone is placed on a seniority list, especially in our case where none are going to remained furloughed.

If they were going to continue to have people on furlough I could see your argument, but the fact that we need pilots desperately negates that line of thought.

This is an equal merger and the XJ furloughs deserve to have their original XJ DOH considered in any SLI arrangement.

I don't think Scott took anyones side over another, it was the right thing to do.
So you think that Mesaba furloughs should be placed ahead of Active Pinnacle pilots during SLI? Why? How is that fair to the active Pinnacle Pilots? Yes, this affects me personally, I was 50 from the bottom for years until the hiring started again.... I think we are just going to disageree on this issue as I dont believe you have a vested dog in the fight.
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So you think that Mesaba furloughs should be placed ahead of Active Pinnacle pilots during SLI? Why? How is that fair to the active Pinnacle Pilots? Yes, this affects me personally, I was 50 from the bottom for years until the hiring started again.... I think we are just going to disageree on this issue as I dont believe you have a vested dog in the fight.
This is a merger of three separate lists, from my understanding they will take your relative position and your DOH into account.

Last I looked, all of the XJ furloughs were still on the list.

They should be integrated as such.

And how is that unfair to 9E?

You should reap the benefits of your DOH at any company.
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Now I could be completely misunderstanding this process, but I don't think any furlough ends up above any active pilot. Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't the SLI look something like this:

1. All active pilots on 07/01/10 integrated with whatever method is chosen
2. All furloughed pilots on 07/01/10
3. All pilots hired after 07/01/10 based strictly on DOH

Of course, seeing as how this process is only just getting started, we could all be wrong.
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Now I could be completely misunderstanding this process, but I don't think any furlough ends up above any active pilot. Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't the SLI look something like this:

1. All active pilots on 07/01/10 integrated with whatever method is chosen
2. All furloughed pilots on 07/01/10
3. All pilots hired after 07/01/10 based strictly on DOH

Of course, seeing as how this process is only just getting started, we could all be wrong.
For everyone hired prior to 7-01-2010, all 3 lists are to be integrated with XJ furloughs keeping their original XJ hire date for SLI

(how the 3 lists are integrated is being negotiated between the 3 SLI committees now)

Everyone hired after 7-01-2010 is strictly DOH
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