XJ 9E 9L SLI Thread
02-15-2011 | 09:00 AM
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It would not, but I think the point is that the DOH method is going to be even more beneficial to 9E pilots than my numbers show because they will get a 3 month shift up when their real DOH is applied.
02-15-2011 | 10:33 AM
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Premerger, they had no job. Then they were offered jobs WITH longevity taken into consideration for their pay. And now they're making more than the other pilots in their class. What shaft did they get again? We should use historical practices for furloughs.
02-15-2011 | 10:41 AM
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Say there are 2 XJ furloghs....1 with a 2008 hire date and one with a 2009 hire date. 2008 passes on getting hired at 9e with longevity bennies, but 2009 guy gets employed at 9e with XJ longevity. What gives the right for the guy who voluntarily said "no thanks" in the first round and is still unemployed to think he should be senior to the guy who showed incentive and took the 9e job? i think all XJ furloughs that took jobs at 9e should end up senior to the ones that didn't. The 2008 guy gambled when offered a job and lost. That happens in this industry...
02-15-2011 | 10:53 AM
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I'm gonna agree with Axial (someone please pinch me).
Say there are 2 XJ furloghs....1 with a 2008 hire date and one with a 2009 hire date. 2008 passes on getting hired at 9e with longevity bennies, but 2009 guy gets employed at 9e with XJ longevity. What gives the right for the guy who voluntarily said "no thanks" in the first round and is still unemployed to think he should be senior to the guy who showed incentive and took the 9e job? i think all XJ furloughs that took jobs at 9e should end up senior to the ones that didn't. The 2008 guy gambled when offered a job and lost. That happens in this industry...
Say there are 2 XJ furloghs....1 with a 2008 hire date and one with a 2009 hire date. 2008 passes on getting hired at 9e with longevity bennies, but 2009 guy gets employed at 9e with XJ longevity. What gives the right for the guy who voluntarily said "no thanks" in the first round and is still unemployed to think he should be senior to the guy who showed incentive and took the 9e job? i think all XJ furloughs that took jobs at 9e should end up senior to the ones that didn't. The 2008 guy gambled when offered a job and lost. That happens in this industry...
02-15-2011 | 11:01 AM
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And what would you propose happen to the more senior people that took voluntary furloughs and pursued other options with the intent that a more junior people might keep their jobs? There can't be a set of rules for those at the bottom of the list that is different for those in the middle or top. This isn't a black and white issue. Like it was said before, let the SLI people do their job, and when it's all over with lets all come back and complain about it. There's is nothing we can do about what they come up with.
02-15-2011 | 12:56 PM
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I'm gonna agree with Axial (someone please pinch me).
Say there are 2 XJ furloghs....1 with a 2008 hire date and one with a 2009 hire date. 2008 passes on getting hired at 9e with longevity bennies, but 2009 guy gets employed at 9e with XJ longevity. What gives the right for the guy who voluntarily said "no thanks" in the first round and is still unemployed to think he should be senior to the guy who showed incentive and took the 9e job? i think all XJ furloughs that took jobs at 9e should end up senior to the ones that didn't. The 2008 guy gambled when offered a job and lost. That happens in this industry...
Say there are 2 XJ furloghs....1 with a 2008 hire date and one with a 2009 hire date. 2008 passes on getting hired at 9e with longevity bennies, but 2009 guy gets employed at 9e with XJ longevity. What gives the right for the guy who voluntarily said "no thanks" in the first round and is still unemployed to think he should be senior to the guy who showed incentive and took the 9e job? i think all XJ furloughs that took jobs at 9e should end up senior to the ones that didn't. The 2008 guy gambled when offered a job and lost. That happens in this industry...
We won't even know for certain if anyone will be integrated until the day after tomorrow anyway.
What if they didn't want to take the chance that they would have been stuck under 9E's current contract or worse yet, Colgan's non-contract?
Like I've said before, if they were merging the lists and the XJ furloughs were going to displace someone else on the list into furlough, then I agree with you, but that is not the case at all.
They are on XJ's seniority list, and they deserve all of it's protections.
02-15-2011 | 12:57 PM
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The historical practice is wrong and selfish.
02-15-2011 | 01:21 PM
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Is there really even a historical precedent set on this in the Regional industry? They are on the XJ seniority list and they deserve to get integrated in seniority order just like everyone else. That is why we have a Union and I would expect the Union to uphold their seniority rights just like they are going to respect every other pilot's seniority right.
02-15-2011 | 02:10 PM
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Is there really even a historical precedent set on this in the Regional industry? They are on the XJ seniority list and they deserve to get integrated in seniority order just like everyone else. That is why we have a Union and I would expect the Union to uphold their seniority rights just like they are going to respect every other pilot's seniority right.
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