shimmydamp

It is predictable that the first thing your simple mind would do is start to compare payrates. After all, that is all you looked at when you saw the JCBA.

I never attempted to compare SWA with Colgan. What I did was attempt to compare AirTran's position in their merger with Colgan's position in our merger. They are in the same position, relatively speaking.

Now you are twisting what you said into a different scenario. You have interchanged AirTran and Colgan, which suggests you think pilots go to AirTran to build time and move on. (Which further demonstrates your inept attempt at maintaining a knowledgeable understanding of the airline industry.)

If I was at AirTran, a place that many pilots have decided to make their career destination, I would not view SWA as the savior that I should be so fortunate to be stapled to the bottom of the pilot group.

Being that I'm at Colgan and would like to eventually work at SWA, then it wouldn't matter to me, because as a new-hire I would be at the same place on the seniority list. Stapled to the bottom, so to speak. However that would not be fair to the pilots of Colgan that didn't have any intention of going to SWA, for whatever reason that may be. Which is why no matter what the situation, a simple staple job is inequitable.

AxialFlow

Yes, I'm a lowly commoner that has bills to pay. I need the payrates to be as high as possible, please.

Objectively speaking, we're a stepping stone getting merged into a stepping stone. Not many willingly choose to spend their career at Pinnacle. Objectively, AirTran is merging with a carrier that has superior compensation and a stronger business model.

I'm working with what you gave me. My original remarks pertained to Airtran hitting the jackpot with Southwest. You tried to compare that merger with our own. I'm saying worst case scenario, AirTran pilots would be just fine financially if they ended up getting stapled. It's a different scenario here at Pinnacle where the payrates are much less. A staple at our level would be much harder to deal with than at the AT/SWA level. And it's all the more reason why a staple of any of our three groups isn't the way to go. I think that YOU think that I advocated a staple of any group to another. If that's the case, just show me the post.

The Juice

You have a history of illogical and nonsensical posts but this one just amazes me.

You acknowledge that there is a huge difference between regionals and majors, however you seem to think that what regional first officer "Axial Flow" would want/do is the same thing a pilot at AirTran should do. Just because you get wet in the pants thinking about getting stapled to SWA does not mean a pilot at a career airline (ATN) would want the same.

Your argument that getting stapled to SWA is the best thing possible for a ATN pilot is along the same line of mass confusion we see when I hear a pilot say "I dont care about getting a contract, I just want my upgrade."

Wait... wait a minute...yeah, that was you who said that.

shimmydamp

Objectively speaking, Colgan is also merging with a carrier that had superior compensation and a stronger business model. You weren't around when everything at Colgan was pro-rated at risk flying on Beeches and Saabs. That was the business model. Some would argue that Colgan pilots hit the jackpot and would be fine financially if we were stapled, as we saw significant gains in compensation.

It's all relative, and has nothing to do with how much less regionals pay than mainline. It's not ok to staple United to Continental because both airlines are paid mainline wages.

My original point is that you have no clue whatsoever about how the industry works and instead of attempting to educate yourself or help make things better at Colgan, you instead sit your computer desk and rant on internet forums, all the while only keeping one thing in mind, what's best for you, no matter what the situation.

AxialFlow

Now you're putting words in my mouth...come back after you read what I said.

Blueskies21

Seems like a number of independant sources all are "putting words in your mouth" when five different people all think you said the same thing... is it possible that's really what you said? Or at the very least maybe you need to consider that you might not be saying what you THINK you're saying, or maybe everyone else is just misunderstanding you.....

The Juice

Lets see....

Ok, I read what you said and I am back......

Tell me more about how a senior ATN Captain being stapled at SWA would have him "sitting pretty?"

AxialFlow

Look, it's my opinion...take it or leave it. Based on how some people react to differing views on here, it's a wonder that they can function in the real world at all, really. My advice is to not lose any sleep over it.

AxialFlow

In a couple years he'd be back to making over $100k. Couple years after that, and he'll be making more as an FO than he was as a Captain

The Juice

I love how you deny saying something and ask for proof, then someone shows you what you said, and then you try and rationalize your argument.

Zero Credibility....Zero point Zero.... 0.0