XJ 9E 9L SLI Thread
05-12-2011, 08:45 AM
#461
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Originally Posted by PCLCREW
Colgan should have never released this... its only gonna cause problems... CJC is yelling to mom because their older brothers keep taking their toys. It was a very weak thing to do.
I happen to agree with XJ... DOH may be bad for some, but it is what it is and its fair. Sorry CJC but you are the junior group. Either take it and move on or quit, just like someone else said.
I happen to agree with XJ... DOH may be bad for some, but it is what it is and its fair. Sorry CJC but you are the junior group. Either take it and move on or quit, just like someone else said.
In conclusion, DOH is the worst idea ever, and PCL needs to be stapled!
Fly safe!
05-12-2011, 08:53 AM
#462
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Originally Posted by flyprdu
Otherwise, all this talk of relative intergration and getting screwed will never apply: As there will be no one from Pinnacle who wants to come to that side of the yard anyway.
Are YOU even buying that BS???
05-12-2011, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by flyprdu
You guys want the CRJs. You cannot deny it. Otherwise, all this talk of relative intergration and getting screwed will never apply: As there will be no one from Pinnacle who wants to come to that side of the yard anyway.
Also:
Kudos to the Colgan MEC for acting like a bunch of children and taddling to Mommy about what big, mean, old Pinnacle negotiating team proposed. I don't know what you were intending to accomplish except inflame the line pilots by posting absolutely irrelevant information...but regardless, you're a class act in my book.
Oh, and thanks for the 'kudos,' can I have some Pinnacle Punch Koolaid to wash it down, seems like you have plenty of extra. It doesn't surprise me the majority of 9e pilots on this site have a problem with the negotiating info being released, but calling it irrelevant is a stretch. It's very relevant as you will soon see. Fact is fact, it's all in the open now. I'd be embarrassed as well of my own mec, but I guess an anonymous Internet forum would be the best place to show your toughness without any personal backlash, now that's a 'class act' in my 'book'... Looks like our 'books' are different? Anyway, can I get a copy of 'your book?' There has been a change in the corrected definition of 'class act,' it's seems wrong in a few of your 9e pilots 'books.'
If anything, it's been affirmed that arbitration will be the most fair and equitable. Pilots have shown they are incapable of completing such a complicated list and I, as well as many others, are glad you have NO actual influence in the final product.
Last edited by whtever; 05-12-2011 at 09:51 AM. Reason: Appease AiRegency
05-12-2011, 09:48 AM
#464
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Originally Posted by whtever
I don't know anyone that wants the mighty crj, maybe the chance at a handshake and an autograph from a highly regarded 50 seat jet driver though... Got any time to make the day of a lowly 74 seat prop pilot, if you'd brave the trek over to my side of the yard?
Oh, and thanks for the 'kudos,' can I have some Pinnacle Punch Koolaid to wash it down, seems like you have plenty of extra. It doesn't surprise me the majority of 9e pilots on this site have a problem with the negotiating info being released, but calling it irrelevant is a stretch. It's very relevant as you will soon see. Fact is fact, it's all in the open now. I'd be embarrassed as well of my own mec, but I guess an anonymous Internet forum would be the best place to show your toughness without any personal backlash, now that's a 'class act' in my 'book'... Looks like our 'books' are different? Anyway, can I get a copy of 'your book?' There has been a change in the corrected definition of 'class act,' it's seems wrong in a few of your 9e pilots 'books.'
If anything, it's been affirmed that mediation will be the most fair and equitable. Pilots have shown they are incapable of completing such a complicated list and I, as well as many others, are glad you have NO actual influence in the final product.
Oh, and thanks for the 'kudos,' can I have some Pinnacle Punch Koolaid to wash it down, seems like you have plenty of extra. It doesn't surprise me the majority of 9e pilots on this site have a problem with the negotiating info being released, but calling it irrelevant is a stretch. It's very relevant as you will soon see. Fact is fact, it's all in the open now. I'd be embarrassed as well of my own mec, but I guess an anonymous Internet forum would be the best place to show your toughness without any personal backlash, now that's a 'class act' in my 'book'... Looks like our 'books' are different? Anyway, can I get a copy of 'your book?' There has been a change in the corrected definition of 'class act,' it's seems wrong in a few of your 9e pilots 'books.'
If anything, it's been affirmed that mediation will be the most fair and equitable. Pilots have shown they are incapable of completing such a complicated list and I, as well as many others, are glad you have NO actual influence in the final product.
I keep hearing people repeat this inaccuracy. The 9E MEC had little to nothing to do with this. The MEC appointed the SLI committee and the SLI committee worked autonomously with little to no input from the MEC. That's the way it's supposed to be. Otherwise, every time an issue needs to be addressed the SLI committee cannot do it on their own but would have to go running back to their respective MEC for input just like the XJ SLI committee had to routinely do. The 9E SLI committee was simply assigned to do the best by the current 9E pilot group as humanly possible. They were playing for keeps. Shouldn't be a surprise.
And it's arbitration, not mediation. Mediation has long since been over. New rules.
05-12-2011, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Milk Man
Yes I understand that Pinnacle had much to do with our success as an airline and not keeping us from folding, supplying us with financial backing. I thank pinnacle for helping. My first post was to that person stating Colgan brought nothing to table is just insane. The fact that we are a stepping stone to another regional and because he felt we were nothing implies he thinks we should be stapled. My post was not attacking Pinnalce.
Come on while I feel your pain about how you my end up on this SLI you cant tell me that Colgan brought much more to 9E other then an operating cert to put Q's on. It was very likely that Colgan was going to go TU before 9E bought them. The Colgan's were broke and so was the airline. Now just because 9E saved Colgan doesnt mean you should be stapled. But all that you have now is because of 9E... thats a fact.
05-12-2011, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by PCLCREW
I dont think you should be stapled... but some of what he says is true... back in 06 and 07 how many of your guys left Colgan and went to Republic and Compass? Colgan is or "was" a place that "some" people went to that didnt have enough time to go somewhere else or better (however you want to look at it). I dont know much about the 2011 Colgan, but the 03 to 07 Colgan was a place many people HAD to go to.. not wanted.
Come on while I feel your pain about how you my end up on this SLI you cant tell me that Colgan brought much more to 9E other then an operating cert to put Q's on. It was very likely that Colgan was going to go TU before 9E bought them. The Colgan's were broke and so was the airline. Now just because 9E saved Colgan doesnt mean you should be stapled. But all that you have now is because of 9E... thats a fact.
Come on while I feel your pain about how you my end up on this SLI you cant tell me that Colgan brought much more to 9E other then an operating cert to put Q's on. It was very likely that Colgan was going to go TU before 9E bought them. The Colgan's were broke and so was the airline. Now just because 9E saved Colgan doesnt mean you should be stapled. But all that you have now is because of 9E... thats a fact.
05-12-2011, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Jamers
This is true. And thanks for thinking we shouldn't be stapled.
05-12-2011, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by jayray2
A 7 year fence at a regional on a jet that will be gone in 5 years? Is everyone at Pinnacle forgetting that you have 120 of the least desirable jets in the world? Do you think your 200s are going to be around forever? Do you really think your lousy 200s are that much better than the props? I think we have all commuted/dead-headed enough in the 200s to have earned the right to call them lousy. They can't get rid of those things soon enough.
We are a regional, we don't fly 747s. I think you are having delusions of grandeur. The sooner you come to the realization that you work at a Regional airline the better off you will be to face reality.
We are a regional, we don't fly 747s. I think you are having delusions of grandeur. The sooner you come to the realization that you work at a Regional airline the better off you will be to face reality.
That's the point. It was supposed to be ridiculous to see if Colgan really wants relative to protect what they have... or crossover with a windfall.
Your squawking makes me think you were licking your chops at the possibility of telling some poor Pinnacle FO (who has been working twice as long as you) "Gear up, Speed mode. uh... um.. Autopilot on?"
05-12-2011, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by whtever
Oh, and thanks for the 'kudos,' can I have some Pinnacle Punch Koolaid to wash it down, seems like you have plenty of extra. It doesn't surprise me the majority of 9e pilots on this site have a problem with the negotiating info being released, but calling it irrelevant is a stretch. It's very relevant as you will soon see. Fact is fact, it's all in the open now. I'd be embarrassed as well of my own mec, but I guess an anonymous Internet forum would be the best place to show your toughness without any personal backlash, now that's a 'class act' in my 'book'....
The only thing more comical about bashing the 9e SLI reps over looking out for their best interests and not bending over, is the peeps on here bashing the 9e pilot group as a whole for something 3 guys did in secret with zero input/communication from and to the pilot group......
05-12-2011, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by flyprdu
You sound like another fine soul that doesn't want to come over to the jet side. That said, you shouldn't have a problem with an exceptionally long fence between jets and props.
That's the point. It was supposed to be ridiculous to see if Colgan really wants relative to protect what they have... or crossover with a windfall.
Your squawking makes me think you were licking your chops at the possibility of telling some poor Pinnacle FO (who has been working twice as long as you) "Gear up, Speed mode. uh... um.. Autopilot on?"
That's the point. It was supposed to be ridiculous to see if Colgan really wants relative to protect what they have... or crossover with a windfall.
Your squawking makes me think you were licking your chops at the possibility of telling some poor Pinnacle FO (who has been working twice as long as you) "Gear up, Speed mode. uh... um.. Autopilot on?"
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