I don't agree with you here. I think they released this just to show everyone where we and the other groups were at the end of the negotiations. It was important to our Merger committee to show their peers that they represented the pilots well. I believe they did, and in a fair and reasonable way. Just as the XJ committee appears to have represented their pilots in a fair and reasonable way.

I can not say the same for that other pilot group's merger committee. All they seem to want to do is make war with everyone. I am sure they have been to hell and back and now just want to make everyone pay, but remember, CJC and XJ are not the bad guys here.

 

Colgan should have never released this... its only gonna cause problems... CJC is yelling to mom because their older brothers keep taking their toys. It was a very weak thing to do.
I happen to agree with XJ... DOH may be bad for some, but it is what it is and its fair. Sorry CJC but you are the junior group. Either take it and move on or quit, just like someone else said.

 

There is nothing to take yet. Remember, it is not in the hands of anyone but the arbitrator and no one has any idea how it will pan out. I think what *most* are hoping for is no one wins. If it is a truly fair integration then everyone will feel very "bleh" about the whole deal and there will not be much to talk about.

I am not sure though that I accept the logic that Bloch will take your thoughts into consideration. "Hey, Colgan is the junior pilot group, they just just take it and move on or quit." I could be way off base in putting words in his mouth but I am not sure that is how one of the most experienced arbitrators in the industries thought process works.

 

I think the pncl groups proposal is the most fair. Pncl purchased both airlines and thus it is an aquisition not a merger. If you look at all three pilot groups you can see that pncl gains the least in any merger. Colgan is an airline that people go to and get their time and go to airlines like pncl and mesaba. Mesaba would be equal if they weren't losing their saabs, thus all mesaba brings is furloughs.

This is just my 2 cents from an outsider.

 

Pinnacle Holdings is the one who bought Colgan.

 

Straight DOH may or may not be fair, but it is a logical plan.
Relative may or may not be fair, but it too is logical.

Stapling one pilot group and nearly all of the second.... someone please explain that one to me.

 

It's simple and very consistent with everything I have seen with them since forever. They are embittered, angry and hateful at the world and want to make war with and blow everyone up. PNCL corp created this monster but I personally don't want this brand of leadership in my future union...AT ALL.

on the other hand, I have been nothing but IMPRESSED with every thing the Mesaba MEC touches. They are a class act! And my biased opinion is that CJC's band of bros, given the limited resources and experience we have, managed to do a incredible job and should have a very prominent seat at the table in the future!

 

What I find hilarious is how people that have been on the job for less than 2 years can complain about losing quality of life.... and feel that they have an equal footing to those who have spent 2 or 3 times the duration at other companies.

The fact of the matter is this: If you want to preserve your quality of life, then DOH or other methods will not affect you.. provided that you stay on the Colgan side. The only reason Colgan wants relative percentile integration is for a huge windfall in bidding power across a fleet that CJCers could only dream about a year ago. There is no other reason.

You guys want the CRJs. You cannot deny it. Otherwise, all this talk of relative intergration and getting screwed will never apply: As there will be no one from Pinnacle who wants to come to that side of the yard anyway.

Also:
Kudos to the Colgan MEC for acting like a bunch of children and taddling to Mommy about what big, mean, old Pinnacle negotiating team proposed. I don't know what you were intending to accomplish except inflame the line pilots by posting absolutely irrelevant information... but regardless, you're a class act in my book.

 

This will go down as one of the greatest posts I have read here. I can no longer hold back my emotions, I lust for a CRJ. The thought of flying a smaller, older plane on similar routes that I already fly for the same money in a base very far from my home is very intriguing.

 

I completely expected Mesaba to support DOH: it is an argument that has merit and takes pretty good care of their folks. I wouldn't like it, but I wouldn't grouse about it since it makes sense.

My guess is Mesaba folks expected Colgan to push for relative. It is a reasonable argument and takes care of our pilots. Mesaba folks may not like it, but I bet they understand it.

And then there is the Pinnacle proposal. If Pinnacle had pushed for DOH or something similar, I would have understood. But no, they demand a straight staple of Colgan and darn close to a staple of Mesaba. Sorry, that chaps me. It isn't reasonable or logical (except maybe coming from a two year old).

So, it releasing this information was necessary. I (and many folks I work with) have expected reason from the other two groups. To their credit, Mesaba was reasonable, and I respect them for that.