XJ 9E 9L SLI Thread
03-16-2011 | 02:31 PM
#331
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The way things sounded per the letter the union put out during the recall made it sound as if the furloughs that chose to use the MOU needed to take the recall or risk losing thier higher Mesaba seniority and having to acquire their lower (after July 1 hire date) seniority they would have in a merged list based on being at the other places post July 1.
03-16-2011 | 03:12 PM
#332
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From: Up Front
I just spent the last hour reading through this thread, Wow! There is absolutely no doubt in my mind everyone of us, whether XJ-9E-9L are all at least a little stressed out about the eventual outcome of the ISL. What I don't understand is why so many on this thread continue to voice person OPINIONS and argue amongst eachother about a topic which we have NO control over? The ALPA Merger and Fragmentation Policy used by our Merger Committees, Mediator/Arbitrator is the governing document, PERIOD. Our Merger Committees obviously have embarkded upon an extremely daunting task and I hope they can come up with a fair and equitable solution in the end for ALL of us. If it does go to Arbitration this April, I trust Mr. Bloch and his over 40 years of experience guided by the ALPA Merger and Fragmentation Policy can come up with a reasonable solution for us all as well. I for one, will not dwell on something I have no control over. I look forward to sharing the Flight Deck with any XJ-9E-9E pilot and enjoying a GREAT contract as ONE group of professionals.
03-16-2011 | 03:15 PM
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The way things sounded per the letter the union put out during the recall made it sound as if the furloughs that chose to use the MOU needed to take the recall or risk losing thier higher Mesaba seniority and having to acquire their lower (after July 1 hire date) seniority they would have in a merged list based on being at the other places post July 1.
03-16-2011 | 03:16 PM
#334
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If you didn't like the way your seniority was moving along you should have left. I don't care how many years you have invested. You always had the chance to leave. You chose to stay and it's killing you that you made the wrong move and you expect other people to pay for your career decisions that didn't work out the way you planned.
And save your breath. We know that our seniority progression was because of the Q400 that were purchased off the backs of the hardworking Pinnacle pilots (and of course you hard work scrubbing toilets before you were a pilot at Pinnacle). And I won't ever forget it.
And toilet cleaning for me? Is that the best you can do as an insult? Try again, Marvin!
03-16-2011 | 03:37 PM
#335
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Why not? Your growth was attributed to our holding company. I think you should share the burden. Can't have it both ways. You grew at our expense, now share the burden and take DOH.
Left where? NO one was hiring in the recession. And how will "other people" pay for my career decisions? I'm just saying DOH, and you STILL HAVE NOT GIVEN A REASON NOT TO DO DOH! I do not get how DOH hurts Colgan "career expectations"? Ha, if I can even use "Colgan" and "career expectation" in the same sentence....
Damn right! Cause of us, your sorry airline was able to grow. I don't know anyone who went to Colgan when they could have gone to other bigger, better regionals. The only Colganites I know that went there were rejects (no offense, the Marvin types). People who couldn't make the cut anywhere but luckily got in and passed at Colgan.
And toilet cleaning for me? Is that the best you can do as an insult? Try again, Marvin!
Left where? NO one was hiring in the recession. And how will "other people" pay for my career decisions? I'm just saying DOH, and you STILL HAVE NOT GIVEN A REASON NOT TO DO DOH! I do not get how DOH hurts Colgan "career expectations"? Ha, if I can even use "Colgan" and "career expectation" in the same sentence....
Damn right! Cause of us, your sorry airline was able to grow. I don't know anyone who went to Colgan when they could have gone to other bigger, better regionals. The only Colganites I know that went there were rejects (no offense, the Marvin types). People who couldn't make the cut anywhere but luckily got in and passed at Colgan.
And toilet cleaning for me? Is that the best you can do as an insult? Try again, Marvin!
03-16-2011 | 03:54 PM
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Why not? Your growth was attributed to our holding company. I think you should share the burden. Can't have it both ways. You grew at our expense, now share the burden and take DOH.
Left where? NO one was hiring in the recession. And how will "other people" pay for my career decisions? I'm just saying DOH, and you STILL HAVE NOT GIVEN A REASON NOT TO DO DOH! I do not get how DOH hurts Colgan "career expectations"? Ha, if I can even use "Colgan" and "career expectation" in the same sentence....
Damn right! Cause of us, your sorry airline was able to grow. I don't know anyone who went to Colgan when they could have gone to other bigger, better regionals. The only Colganites I know that went there were rejects (no offense, the Marvin types). People who couldn't make the cut anywhere but luckily got in and passed at Colgan.
And toilet cleaning for me? Is that the best you can do as an insult? Try again, Marvin!
Left where? NO one was hiring in the recession. And how will "other people" pay for my career decisions? I'm just saying DOH, and you STILL HAVE NOT GIVEN A REASON NOT TO DO DOH! I do not get how DOH hurts Colgan "career expectations"? Ha, if I can even use "Colgan" and "career expectation" in the same sentence....
Damn right! Cause of us, your sorry airline was able to grow. I don't know anyone who went to Colgan when they could have gone to other bigger, better regionals. The only Colganites I know that went there were rejects (no offense, the Marvin types). People who couldn't make the cut anywhere but luckily got in and passed at Colgan.
And toilet cleaning for me? Is that the best you can do as an insult? Try again, Marvin!
03-16-2011 | 04:28 PM
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I've been at Pinnacle before you. Granted, I was in another field first. Meaning, I was sort of an internal hire as a pilot. Back then, they allowed us to work in certain positions like dispatch, crew sked, and while you finished up your ratings, you got a mini-interview (basically a guranteed thing) and you started as a pilot. By the time that post was made, I was already in at Pinnacle, and there's a difference between our class date and hire date. I wanted to know where exactly I stood as far as getting a certain base (DTW). Don't you dare judge me when you don't know a damn thing about me. As an internal hire, my time at Pinnacle was before Jan 18, 2007, when your sorry excuse of an airline was purchased by us. I went afterwards as an internal-hire into a Pinnacle class date. The interview wasn't even an interview, it was a formality basically.
Why not? Your growth was attributed to our holding company. I think you should share the burden. Can't have it both ways. You grew at our expense, now share the burden and take DOH.
Left where? NO one was hiring in the recession. And how will "other people" pay for my career decisions? I'm just saying DOH, and you STILL HAVE NOT GIVEN A REASON NOT TO DO DOH! I do not get how DOH hurts Colgan "career expectations"? Ha, if I can even use "Colgan" and "career expectation" in the same sentence....
Damn right! Cause of us, your sorry airline was able to grow. I don't know anyone who went to Colgan when they could have gone to other bigger, better regionals. The only Colganites I know that went there were rejects (no offense, the Marvin types). People who couldn't make the cut anywhere but luckily got in and passed at Colgan.
And toilet cleaning for me? Is that the best you can do as an insult? Try again, Marvin!
Left where? NO one was hiring in the recession. And how will "other people" pay for my career decisions? I'm just saying DOH, and you STILL HAVE NOT GIVEN A REASON NOT TO DO DOH! I do not get how DOH hurts Colgan "career expectations"? Ha, if I can even use "Colgan" and "career expectation" in the same sentence....
Damn right! Cause of us, your sorry airline was able to grow. I don't know anyone who went to Colgan when they could have gone to other bigger, better regionals. The only Colganites I know that went there were rejects (no offense, the Marvin types). People who couldn't make the cut anywhere but luckily got in and passed at Colgan.
And toilet cleaning for me? Is that the best you can do as an insult? Try again, Marvin!
You were hired as a PILOT AFTER the purchase. You made a CAREER DECISION to move from you dispatcher or scheduler position to pilot after seeing where the Qs were going.
When you took your "formality" interview, everyone was hiring. Oil didn't go nuts for another two years. You made a choice. Now you need to live with the results of your decision, just as I need to live with mine. If the integration does not go my way, I will deal with it. If the integration does not go your way, how will you react? Based on your "rejects" comment, I can only imagine.
The one good thing for me is no matter how badly I get screwed in the SLI turns out, I'll never have to fly with a former dispatcher or, worse yet, scheduler.
03-16-2011 | 05:04 PM
#339
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From: Bus driver
FWIW the MSA MEC has put out notice that if you lose longevity if you don't accept the mesaba recall. This is FALSE. The company will NOT be "docking" those who are already at 9E/9L. This is the "final recall" so if you want a job, you gotta come back. Those working at 9E/9L will NOT be losing anything. The MSA MEC has spoken in effect of the company, but not the truth. The company will not be paying the added training/retraining expenses for those already on line. There is a good bit of "behind the scenes" politics in play with this little fear campaign. The MOU is clear and those who came back under the MOU will not have a gun to their head.
03-16-2011 | 05:11 PM
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The way things sounded per the letter the union put out during the recall made it sound as if the furloughs that chose to use the MOU needed to take the recall or risk losing thier higher Mesaba seniority and having to acquire their lower (after July 1 hire date) seniority they would have in a merged list based on being at the other places post July 1.
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