Very true, but you were stating your opinion of why relative was not a windfall that's why I asked.

 

Who puts props at the bottom? You? Some people would take a prop over a jet for other QOL reasons!

So, you are saying a guy with less 121 experience then the next guy is always junior? That's not ALPA policy (at least not yet)

Some people are looking at it like outsiders are being integrated in THEIR list. This is not the case. If you look at it like a new community, all middle class citizens should remain middle class citizens in the new community. You may consider the next guy a lower class citizen because of where he came from but that does not mean he should be reduced to a lower class in the new community!

 

Holly crap, I can't wait for the SLI to be finished. Who starts this crap?

 

Hahahahaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You need a life. You seriously search back for years and years to try and find out more about me? Amazing dude, you seriously have no life.

To answer your question, I've been at Pinnacle before you. Granted, I was in another field first. Meaning, I was sort of an internal hire as a pilot. Back then, they allowed us to work in certain positions like dispatch, crew sked, and while you finished up your ratings, you got a mini-interview (basically a guranteed thing) and you started as a pilot. By the time that post was made, I was already in at Pinnacle, and there's a difference between our class date and hire date. I wanted to know where exactly I stood as far as getting a certain base (DTW). Don't you dare judge me when you don't know a damn thing about me. As an internal hire, my time at Pinnacle was before Jan 18, 2007, when your sorry excuse of an airline was purchased by us. I went afterwards as an internal-hire into a Pinnacle class date. The interview wasn't even an interview, it was a formality basically.

 

Adjwings, how is DOH the worst idea ever? I think it is a very FAIR way to merge 3 regional airlines. We are not career-majors like Delta or Northwest. I think DOH is very equitable, and FAIR, since it is the ONLY method that PROPERLY CREDITS YOU FOR THE TIME SERVED AT YOUR OWN AIRLINE.

 

Because that 2.5 year Colgan guy is going to get the euivalent of 5 years at Pinnacle, and as a 4 yr Pinnacle pilot, he'd upgrade above me on the CRJ. How the fark is that fair?????????????

It matters because I am an FO close to upgrade at Pinnacle, but if this relative thing goes through with Colgan, I could have many of them junior Colgan guys go above me in an upgrade on the CRJ on the 9E side. That's just what I need. A guy with 0 CRJ jet time, acting as my Captain, with only 2.5 years at Colgan as his actual airline service time, but 5 years relative time. Greeeeaaaaaat!

 

This thread should be killed by the Mods! Excessive stupidity. Shameless ignorance, etc. Someone stop the madness. I keep wanting to come back and look...like rubbernecking a car wreck.

 

Yes and they flew the Avro and are senior captains now. Everyone I spoke to thought they had "died and gone to heaven" compared to what they had to deal with at Express along with Brady's BS. We gave Express pilots an unprecedented deal in the industry. Problem was, some felt they deserved better. Other Airlines however, hiring the now out of work Express pilots thought differently, it was straight to the bottom of the list as is with any new hire at their respective companies. Go figure.

 

We have junior FO's with former 121 experience. That being said, I personally have no interest going over to the jet. But it will make for some high comedy when a jet FO upgrades in the Saab. I can already see it...
"Why doesn't the air conditioning work?"
"What's an EAS route?"
"Why are these passengers missing so many teeth?"
"What's that smell?"

 

Ok ShyGuy, truce!

Let me try to make a case for relative seniority as best I can. And how it really can't hurt someone in your situation. You said your close to upgrade right? Good.

Is it fair to say that on any pilot group you can divide the list by 2 and come up with a number that represents the halfway point? So when you get to that midway point your probably getting real close to upgrading right?

So for you to be close to upgrade you are probably near the 50 % mark.

If they go by relative seniority your STILL that close to upgrade!

I think a lot of guys are forgetting that not only are we growing the list we are also increasing the amount if airplanes.

Being 150 on a list of 300 is EXACTLY the same as being 1500 on a list of 3000. Don't focus on how many people are ahead of you. Focus on where you are on the list. There's a lot more airplanes and opportunities now.