Originally Posted by ebl14

For all of you guys who think I'm just being a greedy, heartless, pinnacle guy; look at the facts. I'll venture a guess that many of you have never read an arbitrators awarded ISL. If you had, then you would understand that what I have said here isn't about me wanting to "screw" the mesaba and colgan pilots. I'm just basing my opinion on past precident. For those of you who have neglected to do any research before throwing stones I'll give you a start.

This is the link for the Eichen awarded ISL for RAH, Lynx, Midwest and Frontier.
http://f9fapa.org/uploads/SLIFinalAward.pdf

I'll even help you a little more, the good bits start at the bottom of page 32 and the award is on page 36.

Before another person tells me that reasonable career expectations and funding from a profitable airline have nothing to do with SLI, go read those pages.

I'm not saying how much effect those factors will have, I'm just saying they will play a part in the decision.

Originally Posted by jayray2

So what are you saying will happen? Mesaba has been profitable for years. Colgan had huge potential for more aircraft and fast upgrades. I see no parallels here. You want a Mesaba/Colgan 1:4 integration with Pinnacle or a staple? What do you want?

Originally Posted by lolwut

Mesaba was parking aircraft with more on the way. The Saabs were done for and the CRJ-200s probably at risk.

Colgan lost Pinnacle Corp more money than it cost to buy them. Without the money gained by Pinnacle Airlines (yes, the one with the pilots), Colgan would probably have ceased to exist long ago. The potential for aircraft and upgrades had nothing to do with Colgan itself other than than its cheap, easy to manipulate labor.

Pinnacle had solid finances, a large operation, and fairly stalled growth (both in fleet and hiring).


None of these airlines have anything to be proud of, some more than others.

Originally Posted by gojo

That doesn't answer the question. You, Doing Time, and Ebl14 keep pointing out the negatives of both Mesaba, and Colgan, not the positives. And yes, there are positives that both companies are bringing to Pinnacle. I don't understand it, it seems that you are wanting a sudden windfall, and your posts are very one sided. So what do you want?

Originally Posted by lolwut

Mesaba was parking aircraft with more on the way. The Saabs were done for and the CRJ-200s probably at risk.

Colgan lost Pinnacle Corp more money than it cost to buy them. Without the money gained by Pinnacle Airlines (yes, the one with the pilots), Colgan would probably have ceased to exist long ago. The potential for aircraft and upgrades had nothing to do with Colgan itself other than than its cheap, easy to manipulate labor.

Pinnacle had solid finances, a large operation, and fairly stalled growth (both in fleet and hiring).


None of these airlines have anything to be proud of, some more than others.

Originally Posted by higney85

I still want a pony.

Originally Posted by lolwut

Mesaba was parking aircraft with more on the way. The Saabs were done for and the CRJ-200s probably at risk.

Colgan lost Pinnacle Corp more money than it cost to buy them. Without the money gained by Pinnacle Airlines (yes, the one with the pilots), Colgan would probably have ceased to exist long ago. The potential for aircraft and upgrades had nothing to do with Colgan itself other than than its cheap, easy to manipulate labor.

Pinnacle had solid finances, a large operation, and fairly stalled growth (both in fleet and hiring).


None of these airlines have anything to be proud of, some more than others.

Originally Posted by gojo

What kind?

Originally Posted by higney85

I'm not too picky... maybe a pink one.. I'll name it barney and it can keep the grass in my backyard short. This joke is only about 5 years old and the origin is still unknown besides a comment out of frustration.

Originally Posted by higney85

I'm not too picky... maybe a pink one..