Everything I have predicted over the last 15 years has come true. If your not inside, your outside.

Simple as that.


Get ready for what's coming down the pipeline. Brace yourselves.....and don't say I didn't warn you.

 

I have been hearing some stupid crazy rumors lately too and I pray they are not true....

 

Care to elaborate?

 

Check the checkout counter at your local grocery store. It should be in there between US Weekly and one of those papers that claim that Elivis is alive and living on Mars. APC Magazine.

...and I just can't get enough of it. There is an article about the shortage of Chinese flight students this week and how the Pope is planning on declaring Jihad against Hooters Airlines if they return as promised.

 

If you guys haven't noticed already....PinkSlip is a troll. Look back at all of his posts. Don't feed the troll.

 

I didn't notice, but thanks for pointing that out. I was thinking, what now?

 

How did I know someone would take this route? Where was I attacking Colgan pilots? I made sure to note that I was only referring to those on these forums and the few outspoken guys who some how think relative is the "right" thing to do for integration. Why don't you, whtever, take some time to go through the numerous threads, not just this one, and look at all the comments made by Colgan pilots saying they deserve relative senority and thats just the way it should be, and thats the only right way to do it, blah blah blah. I don't know what you're problem is, sir, but no where in my post was I looking down on a Colgan pilot or saying that I was superior. All I asked for was a legitamate defense to their claims. I don't think thats wrong and I don't think I was out of place.
Do not come at me as if I am attacking your pilot group and putting you guys down. If these people I speak of were trying to protect themselves and their situation, they wouldn't be crying for relative senority. That, my friend, is being selfish and greedy. Under no circumstance should a pilot at any airline with two years senority expect and think its right to gain 6 years of senority at a new airline. That is called gold digging. I know its not up to me, no kidding bud, but as you so put I am looking out for our situation and protecting us. Giving relative to you guys would hurt a lot of guys at Pinnacle as well as Mesaba and you have some pilots that are all for it. That is who my post was directed to. There is no wedging and attacking, I simply want know from the guys who are crying for relative senority integration to tell me why they think it is right. I want to know the mind set of person like that. To me its nothing but greed, cherry picking, gold digging, call it what you want. You guys can scream unity and working together but then some turn around and want to propell themselves up the senority list at the expense of their "brothers."
One last thing, correct me if im wrong, but threads and forums are for open discussions. If this process was up to me I wouldn't be posting on here. The point of these outlets is for discussion and the voiceing of opinions, I simply want to hear from someone who supports relative senority and why. My post was asking for an opinion and outting frustration. How shallow are you to attack, you sound backed into a corner and trying to claw your way out. Calm down, whtever.

I am not saying which way I think is right or wrong, I am not claiming to know how this process will go down. I just want to hear a defense for relative, whether its going to happen or not. I've heard guys say that want it, I just want to know why besides the obvious reasons. I'm all for relative senority if there are very strong fences.


P.S. I heard we were all just going to go down to Memphis one day this summer and start picking senority numbers out of a hat, but after we buy Horizon, aquire Comair's assets, and start flying CRJ-1000's for JetBlue.

 

[QUOTE=AJDWINGS;962001]No, not everyone would stay in the same place with relative senority unless there are fences, not sepuclation or starting rumor, just saying. Relative senority with no fences would allow a Colgan pilot with 3 years senority to gain enough senority in the new airline to hold a 900 Captain position. Now the guy with the 3 years at the bigger airline is screwed. I find it hard to believe that anyone who currently holds a Captian award would be downgraded or bumped due to the integration. I would like to think that current positions would be protected.

 

An upgrade and PIC time! As was MY expectation when I started at Pinnacle in 2007. Instead, I'm now approaching 4 years as a FO with no upgrade in sight. Don't even get me started with "career expectation" coming from a Colgan pilot! Had I been at Colgan, I would have a been CA in the top half of the list. Instead, my holding company used our hard-earned money to buy your crappy airline and then buy you Q400s with that money. All the while WE were told our ALPA-contract proposal would have bankrupted our airline. So SHOVE IT! I don't wanna hear it from ANY Colgan guy. You deserve a staple as far as I'm concerned, because our airline saved your sorry-excuse of an airline, and you guys took all the career expectations away from us, when our money was used to buy, grow, and expand you.... at MY expense.

Ok, with emotions out, take the staple out. But DOH is FAIR. It is crediting you for TIME you SPENT at YOUR airline. PERIOD. I am 100% for DOH. And if Colgan wants to beotch and moan about it, lets do DOH with a small fence enough to protect their own Tprop flying and upgrades. That's the fairest thing I can think of.

 

First of all don't be mad at them. The pilots didn't ask to be bought buy Pinnacle. If this is truely how you feel you should be mad at management and shareholders. I was told before you even started at Pinnacle how they wanted to find a way to get other flying other than Northwest. Thier goal was to be less dependant on one airline, and I suppose it's easier to buy into it than to start from scratch. Either way, growth can be very good, but I can understand some of your frustration. Growing pains or the lack of them can be equally frustrating. It's just that everyone has a simular story to tell, but given the choice I'd rather have the former. However, It does suck that you had fight for so long to get a new contract, but again it's not the Colgan pilots fault