XJ 9E 9L SLI Thread
03-10-2011 | 05:44 PM
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No windfalls? Colgan pilots, what would you call your contract improvements? If it were not for the contract we had at XJ you would not have received amazing contract improvement you got.
You're probably right about the combination, but Colgans QOL will not go down due to straight DOH.
How do you figure??? Being a captain and having 400-500 FO's ahead of me on the list wont affect my QOL. I wont be on reserve and essentially be no better than a street captain forever?
I thought the ALPA merger policy was to prevent windfalls in EITHER direction. Dumping 500 FOs ahead of a captain I'd probably say is a windfall.
I may be missing something but I just don't see how relative seniority is unfair. Everyone remains in the same place. The same distance from upgrading, the same chunk of pilots ahead and behind them.
I feel like some of the XJ and Pinnacle guys are expecting to go from FO to an instant upgrade and then on top of that they expect to be able to hold a line by having a ton of guys below them on the list. How is that not a windfall?
How do you figure??? Being a captain and having 400-500 FO's ahead of me on the list wont affect my QOL. I wont be on reserve and essentially be no better than a street captain forever?
I thought the ALPA merger policy was to prevent windfalls in EITHER direction. Dumping 500 FOs ahead of a captain I'd probably say is a windfall.
I may be missing something but I just don't see how relative seniority is unfair. Everyone remains in the same place. The same distance from upgrading, the same chunk of pilots ahead and behind them.
I feel like some of the XJ and Pinnacle guys are expecting to go from FO to an instant upgrade and then on top of that they expect to be able to hold a line by having a ton of guys below them on the list. How is that not a windfall?
03-10-2011 | 05:46 PM
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You're probably right about the combination, but Colgans QOL will not go down due to straight DOH.
How many senior 9E and XJ guys are going to bid Colgan bases after integration?
Some, probably..... But the large majority will stay with the jets leaving the Colgan bases junior anyway, not affecting anyones QOL.
How many senior 9E and XJ guys are going to bid Colgan bases after integration?
Some, probably..... But the large majority will stay with the jets leaving the Colgan bases junior anyway, not affecting anyones QOL.
03-10-2011 | 05:54 PM
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From: A-320 FO
While at Mesaba this week I overheard some interesting conversations between employees like the entire operation is going to buttoned up in a year, to "where going to be all turboprop" soon. We knew this.
03-10-2011 | 06:01 PM
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Put a fence up! I personally don't care about your jets. I'd be happy to go my entire career without having to get into a crappy regional jet. Don't forget; Canadair and Embraer are the major reasons why this industry and profession suck a$$ right now. Without RJs it would be turboprops flown by regionals and Boeings flown by majors. Like it was in the glory day$ of this biz.
I'll take my slow, loud, smelly, duct taped, iced up SAAB any day. I'll gladly fly it or a 1900 until my number comes up to fly a REAL jet made in Everett, WA.
03-10-2011 | 06:02 PM
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It is accurate.
And keep in my mind that I used 9E with checkride dates, not actual DOH, which I understand will give 9E guys a 3 month bump up for DOH.
Believe what you want to believe.
03-10-2011 | 06:27 PM
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03-10-2011 | 06:37 PM
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From: CRJ 900 Captain
"Don't forget; Canadair and Embraer are the major reasons why this industry and profession suck a$$ right now. Without RJs it would be turboprops flown by regionals and Boeings flown by majors. Like it was in the glory day$ of this biz. "
I tought Canadair = Bombardiar....and don't they build that over sized Turbo Prop?
I tought Canadair = Bombardiar....and don't they build that over sized Turbo Prop?
03-10-2011 | 07:07 PM
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From: A-320 FO
Move to Memphis, which pmfs for the lifers up there. My take was that the entire operation is going turboprop, a 50 seat turbojet and $5.00/gallon jet A won't fit in the same sentence. It's going to be a huge Q operation, which makes sense if the flying public can get past the propeller stigma.
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