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Old 05-15-2011 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by cleared2land
XJ brought the 900s and the contract...
I agree XJ could argue, they were the group that brought this merger together...but AxialBlow believes that's a windfall...
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Old 05-15-2011 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by AxialFlow
No, you're right...AirTran was WAY better before Southwest came along. Better pay rates, better relationship with management...

They will make their pay back and then some. If Southwest bought Pinnacle tomorrow, I bet you'd **** and moan about seniority though, huh?
This is ironic because you are a Colgan pilot in the middle of a three-way merger when another company had better payrates and a historically better relationship with management. How would you like it if you were stapled? Not very thrilled, I'd imagine.

Secondly, in your last statement you admitted you don't know much about the Delta/NWA merger. This is both relieving and disturbing. It's relieving because every post of yours seems indicate a lack any type of understanding of the landscape of the 121 world and disturbing because every post of yours seems to indicate a lack of any type of understanding of the 121 world.

Go ahead, read that one more time. You still with me? Ok.


You are a two-faced detriment to the airline industry and I thought I would take 10 minutes of my day to tell you that.
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Old 05-16-2011 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by shimmydamp
This is ironic because you are a Colgan pilot in the middle of a three-way merger when another company had better payrates and a historically better relationship with management. How would you like it if you were stapled? Not very thrilled, I'd imagine.

Secondly, in your last statement you admitted you don't know much about the Delta/NWA merger. This is both relieving and disturbing. It's relieving because every post of yours seems indicate a lack any type of understanding of the landscape of the 121 world and disturbing because every post of yours seems to indicate a lack of any type of understanding of the 121 world.

Go ahead, read that one more time. You still with me? Ok.


You are a two-faced detriment to the airline industry and I thought I would take 10 minutes of my day to tell you that.
Do you feel better now?

Back to your illogical argument....to compare the SWA/AT merger with our three-way is to compare apples and oranges. I don't even know where to begin...maybe do a little research and check out 5 year FO rates between SWA and our contract. Hopefully things will fall into place for you from there.
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Old 05-16-2011 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by AxialFlow
Do you feel better now?

Back to your illogical argument....to compare the SWA/AT merger with our three-way is to compare apples and oranges. I don't even know where to begin...maybe do a little research and check out 5 year FO rates between SWA and our contract. Hopefully things will fall into place for you from there.
I'm going to say round 1 goes to Shimmy. Hopefully you can bring more for round 2.
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Old 05-16-2011 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by jayray2
I'm going to say round 1 goes to Shimmy. Hopefully you can bring more for round 2.
He really has no clue does he...his basis is it's a two way not a three way and the pay is different, crappy argument if you ask me, a merger is a merger, the basis is the same...

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Old 05-16-2011 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jayray2
I'm going to say round 1 goes to Shimmy. Hopefully you can bring more for round 2.
Agreed!

Originally Posted by djrogs03
He really has no clue does he...his basis is it's a two way not a three way and the pay is different, crappy argument if you ask me, a merger is a merger, the basis is the same...
Also agree!

Haha.....nice edit. Was just pointing out the BASIS for Axial's argument is weak. But, you beat me to it.
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Old 05-16-2011 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by shimmydamp
How would you like it if you were stapled?
Stapled to SWA right now? I'd take it in a heart beat. And you?

The same question goes for djrog, cruise, and jayray...would you guys, if offered the chance RIGHT now, take a staple to the bottom of Southwest?
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Old 05-16-2011 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by AxialFlow
Stapled to SWA right now? I'd take it in a heart beat. And you?

The same question goes for djrog, cruise, and jayray...would you guys, if offered the chance RIGHT now, take a staple to the bottom of Southwest?
Please don't include me in your nonsensical attempt at rationalization.
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Old 05-16-2011 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by AxialFlow
Stapled to SWA right now? I'd take it in a heart beat. And you?

The same question goes for djrog, cruise, and jayray...would you guys, if offered the chance RIGHT now, take a staple to the bottom of Southwest?
I'm pretty sure he means stapled to the bottom at 9E/9L/XJ...


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Haha.....nice edit. Was just pointing out the BASIS for Axial's argument is weak. But, you beat me to it.
I knew that English class in college would come in handy
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Old 05-16-2011 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by djrogs03
I'm pretty sure he means stapled to the bottom at 9E/9L/XJ...
Back to the original point...yes, AirTran being purchased by SWA was a huge windfall. As I said, even if AirTran got stapled, their pilots would be sitting pretty. Our merger vs the AT/SWA merger could not be more different. For one, we have regional (i.e. crap pay rates). The idea that pay makes no difference is a load. I suspect most people (maybe not cruise, he's one of our special cases) would be happy to take a staple at SWA from their current jobs right now just to get their foot in the door. That's the point I was making.

Now a staple at a regional? Different pay...different working conditions...different management...different story. You may all carry on about your business.
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