Delta to terminate ASA Contract?
03-25-2011 | 10:13 AM
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When I was at QX we had PDX/SEA/GEG (mod line)/BOI and LAX (Alaska MX). They've added MFR and EUG recently so that the aircraft can get hands on time from MX during the evening when not cycling through a regular MX station.
03-25-2011 | 04:00 PM
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From: ELACS, FACs and SECs. Who doesn't love 'em?
Actually, Comair is not the highest paid RJ pilot group. We just have a top heavy seniority list which skews our numbers up higher. As far as year for year hourly pay is concerned, we are actually toward the bottom of the so-called "bandwith" that management always opines about that we need to be in to be competitive within DCI.
03-25-2011 | 07:12 PM
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BTW, most of our group is aware that we're in contract negotiations and this type of rumor makes management types absolutely giddy about the potential cost savings negotiating with doom looming over the pilot group.
Just sayin'!
Just sayin'!
03-26-2011 | 06:41 PM
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03-26-2011 | 06:45 PM
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Actually, Comair is not the highest paid RJ pilot group. We just have a top heavy seniority list which skews our numbers up higher. As far as year for year hourly pay is concerned, we are actually toward the bottom of the so-called "bandwith" that management always opines about that we need to be in to be competitive within DCI.
03-27-2011 | 03:46 AM
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I used to fly for ACA. We had 87 CRJ 200s and owned all the UAX flying out of IAD. Morale was high, pay was pretty good and our operating stats were top notch. Then UAL decided we were making too much as a company and pulled our contract in bankruptcy court. In case you weren't watching, Indy shut it's doors 18 months later after going through a $350M nest egg of UAL money. It was fun but the resulting unemployment for 1600 pilots was pretty painful.
Don't take anything for granted in this business. Good luck, with fuel this high every flight a 50 seater makes is a financial loss. Just sayin...
Don't take anything for granted in this business. Good luck, with fuel this high every flight a 50 seater makes is a financial loss. Just sayin...
Didn't ACA get what it wanted? They didn't want to accept new UAX deal, threatened UA with leaving the UAX program. UA called their bluff and the employees of ACA suffered the result.
Unfortunately for the ACA employees they were the only people that didn't recognize the inevitable. That cut in fee percentages from UA would have been less than the resultant unemployment for the entire workforce.
I could see DL weeding out ASA. If their performance on the DL side is similar to the UA side then I could fully understand getting rid of them. Tried getting to and from NYC on ASA the past couple of months. Maintenance, crews, maintenance , crews were the reasons for cancellations and massive delays. Also, I thought mainline had the market cornered on surly FA's until I rode ASA.
It happened to Comair, ACA, Rio, Air Wisky and a few smaller carriers over the years. It proves the theory that the mainline doesn't NEED any particular express carrier. For in the regional industry there is another mercenary waiting to take the job for less money.
L
03-27-2011 | 04:23 AM
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Didn't ACA get what it wanted? They didn't want to accept new UAX deal, threatened UA with leaving the UAX program. UA called their bluff and the employees of ACA suffered the result.
Unfortunately for the ACA employees they were the only people that didn't recognize the inevitable. That cut in fee percentages from UA would have been less than the resultant unemployment for the entire workforce.
I could see DL weeding out ASA. If their performance on the DL side is similar to the UA side then I could fully understand getting rid of them. Tried getting to and from NYC on ASA the past couple of months. Maintenance, crews, maintenance , crews were the reasons for cancellations and massive delays. Also, I thought mainline had the market cornered on surly FA's until I rode ASA.
It happened to Comair, ACA, Rio, Air Wisky and a few smaller carriers over the years. It proves the theory that the mainline doesn't NEED any particular express carrier. For in the regional industry there is another mercenary waiting to take the job for less money.
L
Unfortunately for the ACA employees they were the only people that didn't recognize the inevitable. That cut in fee percentages from UA would have been less than the resultant unemployment for the entire workforce.
I could see DL weeding out ASA. If their performance on the DL side is similar to the UA side then I could fully understand getting rid of them. Tried getting to and from NYC on ASA the past couple of months. Maintenance, crews, maintenance , crews were the reasons for cancellations and massive delays. Also, I thought mainline had the market cornered on surly FA's until I rode ASA.
It happened to Comair, ACA, Rio, Air Wisky and a few smaller carriers over the years. It proves the theory that the mainline doesn't NEED any particular express carrier. For in the regional industry there is another mercenary waiting to take the job for less money.
L
United had 3 good companies working as UAX (ACA,SKW,AIRWIS) and the customers responded with high remarks. Then United figured they could get the same service using Mesa/TSA/Colgan. They were wrong. UAX went from good to bad quickly. United didnt care about the product, they only cared that someone would do it cheaper. That's what ended ACA and almost AIRWIS. In the end if you cant beat the cheap crappy companies I guess you join them, I work for Pinnacle. Simply the best.
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