June will be interesting month at Republic
05-17-2011, 07:50 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Your contract has a long way to go. Your captains are paid less than first officers at other airlines flying similar equipment.
What did you make last year on your W2? We can check what you made on different equipment vs those CA's on the 190 since we're looking for facts and all.
05-17-2011, 08:23 PM
#42
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Uh, Duck...I'd check your math and assumptions.
8 year CA at RAH (on the 170/190) is $85/hr. Are there any 190 bases? Or is it like the old MCO 135 Base where you only got override pay when you actually flew the larger plane?
8 yr FO at JBlu on the 190 is $90/hr AND they get 150% for everything over 78 hours, night flying override and have a higher per-diem.
So...
Using 82 hours as an average, the JetBlue FO makes about $7k more than the RAH CA, not including per diem, or night flying or 150% for junior manning, etc.
Let's just make it a statement of fact that the RAH contract has a long way to go. Very similar to the jump we needed to make here at AirTran. WE (AT) still aren't were we want to be. Sometimes, it's steps, not jumps.
8 year CA at RAH (on the 170/190) is $85/hr. Are there any 190 bases? Or is it like the old MCO 135 Base where you only got override pay when you actually flew the larger plane?
8 yr FO at JBlu on the 190 is $90/hr AND they get 150% for everything over 78 hours, night flying override and have a higher per-diem.
So...
Using 82 hours as an average, the JetBlue FO makes about $7k more than the RAH CA, not including per diem, or night flying or 150% for junior manning, etc.
Let's just make it a statement of fact that the RAH contract has a long way to go. Very similar to the jump we needed to make here at AirTran. WE (AT) still aren't were we want to be. Sometimes, it's steps, not jumps.
05-17-2011, 08:46 PM
#43
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I'll wait till I see a W2 from someone in that position. I have few JBLU jumpseaters out of CLE and their info doesn't make it look all roses. Someone feel free to post a number. Take into account longevity pay loss etc.
Hockey is full of it. Any searches of his past postings will show that. The real challenge is finding something he's said that's credible.
Hockey is full of it. Any searches of his past postings will show that. The real challenge is finding something he's said that's credible.
05-17-2011, 09:45 PM
#44
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Originally Posted by SD3FR8DOG
Of course not, i don't wish any pilots or employees at any company ill-will, I have friends there and they feel the same way about their management and most are on their way out to something better. I would gladly help any pilot there try to get something better for themselves.
If you hold hopes of a job at one of the few remaining jobs with livable terms and conditions you would share the desire for a scope side-stepping, poverty wage level providing company that already destroyed one decent airline (Midwest) and now has another (Frontier) in its grips to suffer some setbacks on its quest to transform the North American aviation industry into $23/Hr pilot positions.
(Rant over.)
P.S FWIW not affiliated with Midwest, Republic nor Frontier.
If you hold hopes of a job at one of the few remaining jobs with livable terms and conditions you would share the desire for a scope side-stepping, poverty wage level providing company that already destroyed one decent airline (Midwest) and now has another (Frontier) in its grips to suffer some setbacks on its quest to transform the North American aviation industry into $23/Hr pilot positions.
(Rant over.)
P.S FWIW not affiliated with Midwest, Republic nor Frontier.
05-18-2011, 02:51 AM
#45
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
I'll wait till I see a W2 from someone in that position. I have few JBLU jumpseaters out of CLE and their info doesn't make it look all roses. Someone feel free to post a number. Take into account longevity pay loss etc.
Hockey is full of it. Any searches of his past postings will show that. The real challenge is finding something he's said that's credible.
Hockey is full of it. Any searches of his past postings will show that. The real challenge is finding something he's said that's credible.
05-18-2011, 03:15 AM
#46
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
I'll wait till I see a W2 from someone in that position. I have few JBLU jumpseaters out of CLE and their info doesn't make it look all roses. Someone feel free to post a number. Take into account longevity pay loss etc.
Hockey is full of it. Any searches of his past postings will show that. The real challenge is finding something he's said that's credible.
Hockey is full of it. Any searches of his past postings will show that. The real challenge is finding something he's said that's credible.
Easy Duckie...put the crack pipe down fella!
05-18-2011, 05:50 AM
#47
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
And who would that be? Airways? JBLU? Have you actually talked to them? Look at your post history and check it's accuracy. Uber Troll
What did you make last year on your W2? We can check what you made on different equipment vs those CA's on the 190 since we're looking for facts and all.
What did you make last year on your W2? We can check what you made on different equipment vs those CA's on the 190 since we're looking for facts and all.
By the way an 8th yr FO at Jet Blue makes the same on an hourly rate basis as your 10 year captain on the exact same equipment. Thats before you factor in their extras that you guys don't have. Hockey may be angry but he's certainly not wrong!
05-18-2011, 07:00 AM
#49
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
I'll wait till I see a W2 from someone in that position. I have few JBLU jumpseaters out of CLE and their info doesn't make it look all roses. Someone feel free to post a number. Take into account longevity pay loss etc.
Hockey is full of it. Any searches of his past postings will show that. The real challenge is finding something he's said that's credible.
Hockey is full of it. Any searches of his past postings will show that. The real challenge is finding something he's said that's credible.
05-18-2011, 09:03 AM
#50
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Please pardon the Republic apologists on this forum. Embarrassing. . . This place is doing what your small equipment used to do with a fraction of the pay, benefits, and work rules. Like many regional pows, I can't wait to get out. Oh wait, what's this I hear about age 70?
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