1500 hours / ATP for Part 121 rule?
06-20-2011 | 09:44 AM
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Haha, that thought entered my mind too.
On a serious note I don't understand if they are going to hire with this level of experience why they don't lower the published minimums. Im sure this kid is a great 400 hour pilot, but I didn't think they would even look at someone with those times.
On a serious note I don't understand if they are going to hire with this level of experience why they don't lower the published minimums. Im sure this kid is a great 400 hour pilot, but I didn't think they would even look at someone with those times.
06-20-2011 | 12:28 PM
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Probably just to keep any news media who might be looking into things off their backs. My guess is most reporters will take the published minimums at face value and not dig any further to see what people are actually being hired with.
06-20-2011 | 03:50 PM
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Wikipedia says PSA is island hopping in Shorts 360's Not the most complex aircraft (so long as everything is working correctly).
I was under the impression we were talking about Airline Pilot Central - PSA | Regional.
I don't think they fly the 360. But I admit, the SHORT 360 is not complicated, and almost any plane is easy to fly when everything is working correctly. But things do go wrong, and a well trained pilot can provide a safe outcome.
This is a possible indication of airline desperation. But may also be an indication of pilot snobbery with higher-time pilots being unwilling to work for PSA due to any of a number of reasons.
Or maybe, he took a regional job because no corporate employer would trust him with a high dollar aircraft... or that he needed to triple his time to meet 135 minimums.
Or...it might indicate a future expansion of operations to include less complex aircraft.
With 400 hours, the guy will have a hard time finding a traffic watch job in a 172, and that is about as simple as it gets.
I was under the impression we were talking about Airline Pilot Central - PSA | Regional.
I don't think they fly the 360. But I admit, the SHORT 360 is not complicated, and almost any plane is easy to fly when everything is working correctly. But things do go wrong, and a well trained pilot can provide a safe outcome.
This is a possible indication of airline desperation. But may also be an indication of pilot snobbery with higher-time pilots being unwilling to work for PSA due to any of a number of reasons.
Or maybe, he took a regional job because no corporate employer would trust him with a high dollar aircraft... or that he needed to triple his time to meet 135 minimums.
Or...it might indicate a future expansion of operations to include less complex aircraft.
With 400 hours, the guy will have a hard time finding a traffic watch job in a 172, and that is about as simple as it gets.
06-20-2011 | 03:56 PM
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06-20-2011 | 04:07 PM
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Yes, and when only ATPs are hired, eventually, they will be paid a market driven ATP rate. But a dripping wet commercial guy, 700 hour guy, or a 1499 hour guy are all NOT ATPs, so they cannot demand ATP rates.
Don't expect to be paid "what you deserve," unless you are selling yourself short. No matter how much anybody pays me, it will NEVER be paid what I think I am worth.
Don't expect to be paid "what you deserve," unless you are selling yourself short. No matter how much anybody pays me, it will NEVER be paid what I think I am worth.
06-20-2011 | 08:09 PM
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"This will be the ILS 18R into Charlotte. Standard calls. If I get slow on final approach, do not, under any circumstance, raise my flaps. Any questions?"
400TT/15 Multi is not the direction we need to be going these days.
06-20-2011 | 11:40 PM
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whats the difference in a 400 TT FO and a 800 hr FO if all of that time was obtained instructing or beating up the pattern. I don't see much difference. I think quality of time far outways numbers and hours of teaching how to land a 172. Not trying to be negative but after seeing guys of all experience levels being good/bad I have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to tell the quality of a pilot simply by counting hours.
The truth is, for a period of time, both the 400 hour and 800 hour FO are going to be far behind the aircraft, after getting used to the Jet/TP it's up to the individual's airmanship and commitment to becoming a solid aviator.
Just thinking out loud.
The truth is, for a period of time, both the 400 hour and 800 hour FO are going to be far behind the aircraft, after getting used to the Jet/TP it's up to the individual's airmanship and commitment to becoming a solid aviator.
Just thinking out loud.
06-20-2011 | 11:54 PM
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whats the difference in a 400 TT FO and a 800 hr FO if all of that time was obtained instructing or beating up the pattern. I don't see much difference. I think quality of time far outways numbers and hours of teaching how to land a 172. Not trying to be negative but after seeing guys of all experience levels being good/bad I have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to tell the quality of a pilot simply by counting hours.
The truth is, for a period of time, both the 400 hour and 800 hour FO are going to be far behind the aircraft, after getting used to the Jet/TP it's up to the individual's airmanship and commitment to becoming a solid aviator.
Just thinking out loud.
The truth is, for a period of time, both the 400 hour and 800 hour FO are going to be far behind the aircraft, after getting used to the Jet/TP it's up to the individual's airmanship and commitment to becoming a solid aviator.
Just thinking out loud.
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