Eagle Files SEC Form 10
08-13-2011 | 04:50 AM
#31
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you referring to me? "authoritative" ??? I just asked a question?
08-13-2011 | 07:09 AM
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Because I'm an analyst for a firm. Just because what I say doesn't mean it's going to happen. I look at all the facts and previous ventures and apply logic. Thats what I do but now however I want to go back and fly again. I'm sorry if said some information that ruffled some feathers. Just people need to understand the facts. As you know i'm a big opponent to going to Eagle although I would go if no other airline gave me an opportunity. Just make sure you have an exit plan at all times. This new AE is about a 50/50 chance it will work out for most new hires. You know they run fleet totally obsolete. So unless they have any replacement insight I wouldn't plan any growth here. The only event that will provide pilots moving up is the flow up. But the real question is how fast can they flow up while parking 135's in the desert. That's why is say 50/50. To many varibles to get a clear picture right now. And a AMR BK, all bets and contracts are off with AE. you are at the mercy of the courts and they will get those obsolete planes parked overnight.
08-15-2011 | 08:12 AM
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Because I'm an analyst for a firm. Just because what I say doesn't mean it's going to happen. I look at all the facts and previous ventures and apply logic. Thats what I do but now however I want to go back and fly again. I'm sorry if said some information that ruffled some feathers. Just people need to understand the facts. As you know i'm a big opponent to going to Eagle although I would go if no other airline gave me an opportunity. Just make sure you have an exit plan at all times. This new AE is about a 50/50 chance it will work out for most new hires. You know they run fleet totally obsolete. So unless they have any replacement insight I wouldn't plan any growth here. The only event that will provide pilots moving up is the flow up. But the real question is how fast can they flow up while parking 135's in the desert. That's why is say 50/50. To many varibles to get a clear picture right now. And a AMR BK, all bets and contracts are off with AE. you are at the mercy of the courts and they will get those obsolete planes parked overnight.
lets assume for a moment that all the majors will be hiring in huge numbers starting over the next year or two.... then lets assume that the majority of these new hires are going to come from the regionals... and most - but not all - of them from the left seat at the regionals.
Now, every regional is going to have tons of guys bailing for greener pastures.... which means the new guys will all be moving up that much sooner... except, at Eagle guys will also be moving on up to AA as well as bailing for other carriers... so, it stands to reason more guys will be leaving from Eagle than from say TSA or PNCL simply due to the extra opportunities....
all of which means the new kids get into the left seat faster at Eagle than anyplace else.... get their turbine PIC sooner and can then bail for a major sooner than the next guy.... or, if they choose... they can sit back being a senior CA in just a few short years and wait for a walk on job at AA without jumping through any hoops as a backup plan.
08-15-2011 | 09:58 AM
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if you're as good a pilot as an analyst, do us a favor... don't return to flying.
lets assume for a moment that all the majors will be hiring in huge numbers starting over the next year or two.... then lets assume that the majority of these new hires are going to come from the regionals... and most - but not all - of them from the left seat at the regionals.
Now, every regional is going to have tons of guys bailing for greener pastures.... which means the new guys will all be moving up that much sooner... except, at Eagle guys will also be moving on up to AA as well as bailing for other carriers... so, it stands to reason more guys will be leaving from Eagle than from say TSA or PNCL simply due to the extra opportunities....
all of which means the new kids get into the left seat faster at Eagle than anyplace else.... get their turbine PIC sooner and can then bail for a major sooner than the next guy.... or, if they choose... they can sit back being a senior CA in just a few short years and wait for a walk on job at AA without jumping through any hoops as a backup plan.
lets assume for a moment that all the majors will be hiring in huge numbers starting over the next year or two.... then lets assume that the majority of these new hires are going to come from the regionals... and most - but not all - of them from the left seat at the regionals.
Now, every regional is going to have tons of guys bailing for greener pastures.... which means the new guys will all be moving up that much sooner... except, at Eagle guys will also be moving on up to AA as well as bailing for other carriers... so, it stands to reason more guys will be leaving from Eagle than from say TSA or PNCL simply due to the extra opportunities....
all of which means the new kids get into the left seat faster at Eagle than anyplace else.... get their turbine PIC sooner and can then bail for a major sooner than the next guy.... or, if they choose... they can sit back being a senior CA in just a few short years and wait for a walk on job at AA without jumping through any hoops as a backup plan.
-The majors retirement or growth schedules will not produce "huge" hiring numbers for several more years. By then Eagle could be half (or even less) then its current size.
-The transfer agreement for Eagle pilots to AA is modest at best, in addition to the fact that the language (and hiring agreement) is filled with holes and ambiguity that favors AMR and an ability to nix the entire thing down the road.
-AMR has stated the primary reason for divesting Eagle is to obtain cheaper feed. This will be done through competition via whipsawing several carriers against each other. That means even if Eagle stays an AA feeder for 9 years, they be seeing much of their current flying going to others. Eagle's long-term viability requires that it get contracts for feeding other majors beside AA, which considering 80% of their fleet are economic dinosaurs that can't compete revenue wise with carriers already flying for other majors, makes it also likely that Eagle will actually be shrinking rapidly. This is likely to result in LESS captains positions, as opposed to more as shrinkage equals or exceeds captain attrition to AA and/or competitive carriers.
Before you crack return shots off at others because you believe their shooting aim to be poor, you should examine your own wild gunplay for flaws first.
08-15-2011 | 10:57 AM
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One could say the same to you considering the above "analysis".
-The majors retirement or growth schedules will not produce "huge" hiring numbers for several more years. By then Eagle could be half (or even less) then its current size.
-The transfer agreement for Eagle pilots to AA is modest at best, in addition to the fact that the language (and hiring agreement) is filled with holes and ambiguity that favors AMR and an ability to nix the entire thing down the road.
-AMR has stated the primary reason for divesting Eagle is to obtain cheaper feed. This will be done through competition via whipsawing several carriers against each other. That means even if Eagle stays an AA feeder for 9 years, they be seeing much of their current flying going to others. Eagle's long-term viability requires that it get contracts for feeding other majors beside AA, which considering 80% of their fleet are economic dinosaurs that can't compete revenue wise with carriers already flying for other majors, makes it also likely that Eagle will actually be shrinking rapidly. This is likely to result in LESS captains positions, as opposed to more as shrinkage equals or exceeds captain attrition to AA and/or competitive carriers.
Before you crack return shots off at others because you believe their shooting aim to be poor, you should examine your own wild gunplay for flaws first.
-The majors retirement or growth schedules will not produce "huge" hiring numbers for several more years. By then Eagle could be half (or even less) then its current size.
-The transfer agreement for Eagle pilots to AA is modest at best, in addition to the fact that the language (and hiring agreement) is filled with holes and ambiguity that favors AMR and an ability to nix the entire thing down the road.
-AMR has stated the primary reason for divesting Eagle is to obtain cheaper feed. This will be done through competition via whipsawing several carriers against each other. That means even if Eagle stays an AA feeder for 9 years, they be seeing much of their current flying going to others. Eagle's long-term viability requires that it get contracts for feeding other majors beside AA, which considering 80% of their fleet are economic dinosaurs that can't compete revenue wise with carriers already flying for other majors, makes it also likely that Eagle will actually be shrinking rapidly. This is likely to result in LESS captains positions, as opposed to more as shrinkage equals or exceeds captain attrition to AA and/or competitive carriers.
Before you crack return shots off at others because you believe their shooting aim to be poor, you should examine your own wild gunplay for flaws first.
Why did this not happen at Mesaba, or Compass? Or even to this level XJ for that matter?
What will happen in 2015 at AWAC?
What does this mean for PSA and Piedmont?
What happens if hiring begins like they claim it will at the majors over the next 2 years and the regionals cant find pilots to fill the right seats?
08-15-2011 | 07:54 PM
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A common misconception that I see brought up often is that Eagle is going to bid for other flying with it's current fleet. This is not true as an ASA can include new planes in the agreement or Eagle could go out and find a new fleet with a signed ASA in hand.
08-15-2011 | 08:21 PM
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I feel like this is what AMR wants. Its one way they can get around scope for more 70 seaters. I dont know the particulars, but the rumors I have been hearing is that Eagle will increase 70-90 seaters if possible once on their own...
08-15-2011 | 08:35 PM
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I don't see how. I'm pretty certain AA pilots scope restrictions remain the same regardless of whether regional is wholly owned or not.
08-15-2011 | 09:15 PM
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Put all the Current fleet on one certificate and then use the other cerificate to purchase E190's and start a codeshare with AA. Jetblue tested these waters earlier in the year successfully.
08-15-2011 | 10:18 PM
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Yea thats what I meant... I wasnt sure of the particulars, but I did know AA wanted more 70+ Seaters, they just couldnt do it while Eagle was still part of AMR.
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