DFW / AA to get 100 seat jets??? (Wild Rumor)
11-07-2011, 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
all about you, I see.
Originally Posted by buddies8
True, but you cannot be a feeder for AA and do the codeshare. MQ certificate flys the feed and the NA certificate does the codeshare with AA after the ATR's are parked or transfered to MQ certificate.
Once Eagle is divested (if it is), then the new company (a single corporation/company) would own 2 certificates, would it not ?
Does current AA scope allow a company that flies larger aircraft for another carrier or itself to ALSO feed AA ?
If the new divested Eagle were to use one of its certificates to replace AA, wouldn't it need to seperate itself again from the company that FEEDS AA, resulting in a second divestiture ?
You seem to have it all figured out, so I thought you could elaborate in detail for the benefit of us all.
11-07-2011, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
all about you, I see.
a fear monger, and someone who has no idea of what goes on at AA/AMR/AE.
but the rumors about police from the DCP office is good one to scare the VOTE NO people. What else do you and your AE MEC lackey's going to do. Have all the Vote NO pilots fired until you get enough yes votes.
True, but you cannot be a feeder for AA and do the codeshare. MQ certificate flys the feed and the NA certificate does the codeshare with AA after the ATR's are parked or transfered to MQ certificate.
a fear monger, and someone who has no idea of what goes on at AA/AMR/AE.
but the rumors about police from the DCP office is good one to scare the VOTE NO people. What else do you and your AE MEC lackey's going to do. Have all the Vote NO pilots fired until you get enough yes votes.
True, but you cannot be a feeder for AA and do the codeshare. MQ certificate flys the feed and the NA certificate does the codeshare with AA after the ATR's are parked or transfered to MQ certificate.
I see you spend much time in the crew room, or are one of those guys who is the one on a soap box in the crew room. I am sorry your 45/50+ish YO and your career has put you here at 100k/yr, and you now do not want to start over at a major, like AA, I really am. But I promise that Eagle is not going to grow and get 100 seat jets as 'code shares'. AA is not going to allow ANY MORE BIG PLANES at AE, if you want a bigger plane you HAVE TO LEAVE. I just flew with a guy that was like 48 and said he is not leaving, he is going to stay till the end because he doesnt want to be an FO again. He then went on about how he really hopes he can retire on a 100 seat jet, and would be happy to have it at his EMJ pay. If you want a big plane, you need to go mainline, stop hoping for something that would end everyone who is new's career. We are all sorry you were here during 9/11 and it was at a crucial point of your career, we are, but you can not keep changing the industry to make it feel like your a mainline pilot at a regional airline, because it is not what everyone else wants.
Also I am not a VOTE YES guy, I do not even think I can vote. If I could, I still am not sure how I would vote, because both options are awful. One thing is for SURE, AA is going to start putting flying up for bid, so you can take your nice Captain pay a few years longer with one option, or get a more solid job long term, esp for the guys hired in the last 20 months, but have the risk for some kind of pay cuts over the long term. I guess you vote based on if you want to stay here super long term or if your here to get time, move up, and move on.
11-07-2011, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by DENpilot
I know you are getting *excited* about thinking of having mainline size jets at the regional level, but stop and think about this for a second... why would AA so feverishly be trying to divest Eagle (and successfully so) just to turn around and violate their own pilots scope clause by giving 100 seaters to Eagle?
The best possible answer would have been any aircraft in the mainline livery should be a mainline aircraft. Subcontracting never should have existed. Unfortunately the cat is out of the bag and it doesn't seem to want to go back in.
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11-07-2011, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by EVpilot
What exactly constitutes a mainline sized aircraft? I'm not at eagle or aa so I have no dog in this fight. But I certainly hope that our mainline partners can figure out a good answer for it because I have no desire to be a regional lifer. I will say that my take on mainline sized aircraft is any aircraft that the mainline pilots refuse to give up scope.
The best possible answer would have been any aircraft in the mainline livery should be a mainline aircraft. Subcontracting never should have existed. Unfortunately the cat is out of the bag and it doesn't seem to want to go back in.
The best possible answer would have been any aircraft in the mainline livery should be a mainline aircraft. Subcontracting never should have existed. Unfortunately the cat is out of the bag and it doesn't seem to want to go back in.
At CAL it is any jet over 50 seats.
At UAL it is any jet over 70 seats.
At USAIR it is any jet over 70 seats.
At Delta (the loose girl) it is any jet over 90 seats
, thanks guys, I wish we all had navy pensions.
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11-07-2011, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Wingtips
AA has made it clear, any Jet over 50 seats, except for 50, 70 seat RJs, anything more is mainlines. So over 70 seats is mainline to AA, and the Regionals can only have 50 jets over 50 seats.
At CAL it is any jet over 50 seats.
At UAL it is any jet over 70 seats.
At USAIR it is any jet over 70 seats.
At Delta (the loose girl) it is any jet over 90 seats, thanks guys, I wish we all had navy pensions.
At CAL it is any jet over 50 seats.
At UAL it is any jet over 70 seats.
At USAIR it is any jet over 70 seats.
At Delta (the loose girl) it is any jet over 90 seats
, thanks guys, I wish we all had navy pensions.Last edited by johnso29; 11-07-2011 at 07:11 AM.
11-07-2011, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
Doesn't USAir have some of its 900's without first class stocked with 80-plus seats? I know I've jumpseated on them before and that seemed to be the case.
Ya owned/operated by USAIR
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11-07-2011, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Wingtips
Ya owned/operated by USAIR
And what's this statement about:
Originally Posted by embraer
I am not excited about 100 seat jets other than the opportunity to fly the E-190 which is apparently a fantastic airplane.
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11-07-2011, 06:29 AM
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FYI at DAL its 76 seats.....
11-07-2011, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by filejw
FYI at DAL its 76 seats.....
11-07-2011, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Wingtips
Doesn't USAir have some of its 900's without first class stocked with 80-plus seats? I know I've jumpseated on them before and that seemed to be the case.
Airways 86 seat 900's were from AWA (grandfathered in) and they are owned by Mesa, which I now believe all of them have been converted down with first class.
- Actually, they were suppose to be already configured but apparently only 1 has been converted.
I think the union won a grievance that made Airways change it, even though Airways wanted First Class seats
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