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Old 12-29-2011 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by drewtei
Generally speaking, why are SAAB pilots paid so much less than ATR and DASH pilots?
All prop guys are bottom feeders sucking up the scraps real pilots throw away. Saab guys are just the slimiest ones in the group.

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Pay has been backwards for awhile in this industry. Complexity/risk level of the flying you do, has less affect on pay than the uninitiated would think. If there was some direct relationship between 'toughness' and pay, I would think turboprop 121 pilots, CFIs, and 135 pilots would *generally* be paid much more!w
Until this year (fourth year CA pay), I always made more flying 135 (C421s and C208s). Fancy that, they actually valued those of us for our skills.
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Old 12-29-2011 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
All prop guys are bottom feeders sucking up the scraps real pilots throw away. Saab guys are just the slimiest ones in the group.



Until this year (fourth year CA pay), I always made more flying 135 (C421s and C208s). Fancy that, they actually valued those of us for our skills.
That is awesome....that is the thing about 135 operators...some are use and abuse employers, while some actually try to keep pilots around and happy. Such a wide variety. The 135 work is almost always challenging in its own way...
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Old 12-29-2011 | 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by usmc-sgt
He is a Saab Captain. Colgan Saab pilots cant use an FMS...because they dont have one.

*I believe the B+s have them but they are deactivated.
All the B+s at Mesaba were usable in early 07 (installed many years before) It supposedly has to do with seats and speed. Saab is slow with only about 30ish seats usable, a Q 400 has 70+ and runs near jet speeds. Alpa claims pay based on revenue capability. We know that's BS looking at the C/D scale they put out for the regionals but whatever....
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Old 12-29-2011 | 10:33 PM
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Yeah the $14k-ish/year pay that they pay at some places like Great Lakes and Gulfstream for flying T-props seems a bit low for a commercial pilot flying anything, imo.
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Old 12-30-2011 | 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by block30
That is awesome....that is the thing about 135 operators...some are use and abuse employers, while some actually try to keep pilots around and happy. Such a wide variety. The 135 work is almost always challenging in its own way...
Yeah, there are some crappy 135 ops out there. But there are some REALLY good ones.... and a whole bunch of pretty decent outfits.

I flew for one bad place and three pretty good places. It only took me one bad job to figure out what to look for. The REALLY sad thing is the one bad job I had still paid 20 percent more than industry average regional FO pay.... and the work rules were decent.

Ohhhh, but I forgot..... I wasn't flying a Jet! Strange how an 8500 lbs, single engine, freight hauler pays better than a 70 pax FO.
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Old 12-30-2011 | 12:00 AM
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Because ATR is a bigger plane. With an ATR type you are typed for 42 and 72. 42 typically holds 46 seats (up to 50 depending of the config). So being paid more to fly a bigger plane makes sense to me.
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Old 12-30-2011 | 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Bellanca
Yeah the $14k-ish/year pay that they pay at some places like Great Lakes and Gulfstream for flying T-props seems a bit low for a commercial pilot flying anything, imo.
I REALLY doubt there is any 135 op (even the 500 hour vfr ops) that are only paying $14k ..... even for a high performance single. If there is one, the operator is using a ton of duct tape to hold the planes together.
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Old 12-30-2011 | 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by What
It doesn't help that Gulfstream is getting SAABs and are being flown by pilots who don't depend on the salary and are happy making peanuts while playing airline pilots!
The SAAB pilots flying ??+ seat aircraft are operating part 121. Yes, they may be happy flying for a B.S. wage. However, they do happen to be "Airline Pilots" flying for a 121 outfit.

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Old 12-30-2011 | 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 2bennySODC6
The SAAB pilots flying ??+ seat aircraft are operating part 121. Yes, they may be happy flying for a B.S. wage. However, they do happen to be "Airline Pilots" flying for a 121 outfit.

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Unfortunately, they are folks who are willing to work for a third less than what we make. Sad to think their CAs make the same that I was making flying a C208 hauling boxes.
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