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Old 06-01-2012 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by DC7C
Other than giving a lot of guys paid time off to chase the Reverend, what has been accomplished in Section 6? Did you ever think that the some abuse of the paid Union Time my be a bit much? Did the IBT actions of personally insulting BB in person a few years back get ya anywhere? Do any of the IBT Brass vacationing down in Boca Raton feel your pain? Any of that "time off" occur on a weekend? Holiday? Are they using the provision to get time off their Seniority might otherwise not get them? Are former YX guys leveraging their position on the IMSL for THEIR benefit? Look closely at the proposals....BTW What is the "strategery" going forward? Who was telling RAH rank and file that they are getting close to a release? Anyone over there asking any tough questions?
Is this Wayne?
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Old 08-03-2012 | 11:25 AM
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Default No release? SHOCKER! IBT can't deliver....

Your IBT "leaders" are looking for a job at National and/or using the membership to get the NEO's tagged as new orders, then IMSL-jump to Airbii Captain. Straight for MoFats mouth... Why are the Midwesters running the IBT? Because they have ZERO chance of getting an equivalent career bump by starting over anyplace else! Why are the rank and file RAH guys putting up with this? F9 has all but sailed away and you using precious resources to chase shadows? Why aren't more questions being asked of you "appointed" leadership? Why can't anyone else see this? The 190's are gone..CHQ is gonna be the dumping ground of all the 50 seat tin and flushed..Who is giving you the bad advice? Sure isn't Rick Dubinsky, Supreme IBT Consultant...just sayin'
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Old 08-03-2012 | 12:23 PM
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Is this Wayne?

His writing style resembles more of the Honorable Lawrence Gibbons.
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Old 08-03-2012 | 01:07 PM
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Let's reverse the question : What has FAPA done for us ? :
Other than :
- proposing a staple
- negotiating concesssions while we are picketing
- treat us like *******s while we are trying to go to work or home

I will take my chances with IBT.. Besides, I don't fault the IBT of this and previous exco.. Boca Raton event falls under different leadership.
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Old 08-03-2012 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DC7C
Your IBT "leaders" are looking for a job at National and/or using the membership to get the NEO's tagged as new orders, then IMSL-jump to Airbii Captain. Straight for MoFats mouth... Why are the Midwesters running the IBT? Because they have ZERO chance of getting an equivalent career bump by starting over anyplace else! Why are the rank and file RAH guys putting up with this? F9 has all but sailed away and you using precious resources to chase shadows? Why aren't more questions being asked of you "appointed" leadership? Why can't anyone else see this? The 190's are gone..CHQ is gonna be the dumping ground of all the 50 seat tin and flushed..Who is giving you the bad advice? Sure isn't Rick Dubinsky, Supreme IBT Consultant...just sayin'
Why wouldn't the NEOs be new orders? They came well after the F9 purchase...? Same thing as the C-Series...
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Old 08-03-2012 | 02:45 PM
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Rah guys,

With all due respect what is this Teamster union due for you lately? The initial contract you signed is pathetic. As an ex Eagle guy(23yrs), I read these posts about strike etc.. but nothing materializes. It's time NOW to step up to the plate and make it happen. It's time to flex and change or you will never change.
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Old 08-03-2012 | 03:09 PM
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Rah guys,

With all due respect what is this Teamster union due for you lately? The initial contract you signed is pathetic. As an ex Eagle guy(23yrs), I read these posts about strike etc.. but nothing materializes. It's time NOW to step up to the plate and make it happen. It's time to flex and change or you will never change.
Really?!? And just what do you suggest the pilots of RAH do to change?
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Old 08-03-2012 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlepilot
Let's reverse the question : What has FAPA done for us ? :
Other than :
- proposing a staple
- negotiating concesssions while we are picketing
- treat us like *******s while we are trying to go to work or home

I will take my chances with IBT.. Besides, I don't fault the IBT of this and previous exco.. Boca Raton event falls under different leadership.

1) proposing a staple
Not true, we were willing to integrate pilots,but IBT insisted that they be on top of the list. After that you know the rest.

2) negotiating concessions while we are picketing

This has nothing to do with your picketing. It gave us the best chance of survival and look where we are today. We are making money finally, while the NMB just slapped you across the face. How is your contract coming along? Again you are tryng to blame it on FAPA and F9 pilots.

3) treat us like *******s while we are trying to go to work or home

Bull**** on that one! It did happen with some pilots, please don't stereotype the whole group.
You sir are making yourself look lie a D-BAG! Quit your whining and man up!

Please do take your chances with the IBT. Look what it has gotten you.
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Old 08-03-2012 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlepilot
Let's reverse the question : What has FAPA done for us ? :
Other than :
- proposing a staple
- negotiating concesssions while we are picketing
- treat us like *******s while we are trying to go to work or home

I will take my chances with IBT.. Besides, I don't fault the IBT of this and previous exco.. Boca Raton event falls under different leadership.
Out of retirement for a final post. I'm part of the RAH gang on the island of misfit toys. I commute several times a month and I occasionally find myself in a Frontier jump seat. I've never been treated poorly or vibed, stink-eyed, looked sideways at,
smirked at, spat upon, or looked down upon. Certainly I've never been treated like an @$$hole by anyone at Frontier. Same applies to the time I've passed in Denver between assignments. Your group has always returned my smiles and hellos. I wish you all well as it appears you will soon shuffle loose from our clutches. I hope the days of worthy airlines, from a pilot's perspective, being purchased by those much less so are never more. And the reason all my vocal companions on this forum squawk so harshly and loudly is because your words ring true and clear. I've "invested" thousands and thousands in the IBT for about a dozen slices of mediocre pizza. Poor return. Off to bed so I can endure more pain tomorrow easily administered via our woefully poorly written contract. Which the IBT can't change in half a decade of trying.

Th-th-th-that's all folks.
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Old 08-03-2012 | 06:47 PM
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I jumpseat on Frontier pretty regularly and have had no issues. If I'm in the cockpit, I have the common sense and courtesy to not talk about the merger, SLI, or anything else company related. I expect and have received the same courtesy from the F9 guys/gals I've had in the jumpseat. Just for the record.
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