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Old 06-04-2013 | 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
So a shortage of qualified, trainable pilots is not a shortage? They recently hired a guy with a felony on his record and another got an offer who geared one up instructing. And why didnt they make u an offer? Im not clear on yur point. I presume its training failures theyre trying to avoid. Btw it used to be 20 at an interview.
Not the whole story. Hired, yes....then fired for nondisclosure of those things. Since it seems like I've been living at the training center lately I've seen the training managers come in and fire more people for nondisclosure than ever before.

I'm more curious as to how hard/easy our interview process is. I've asked some of our guys that help out and I've heard both sides argued.
Old 06-04-2013 | 04:48 AM
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That's not true in my recent experience, not true at all. RAH hired only a few (if any) out of a group of 6 I was with recently. They did not even bother making me an offer despite my meeting all their requirements. They are not having trouble with their pilot supply over at RAH, they are having trouble finding cheap pilots to meet their low cost of training goals. Lots of pilots are showing up, but not as many cheap ones as they desire. They know who is likely to cost them some money, and they send those pilots home. No shortage.
So what skeleton did you have in your closet?

It seems that they didn't offer you the job because, either your attitude or you had something non disclosed in your record. It seems you are bitter about it since they didn't event bother to give you an offer.
Old 06-04-2013 | 06:20 AM
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So what skeleton did you have in your closet?

It seems that they didn't offer you the job because, either your attitude or you had something non disclosed in your record. It seems you are bitter about it since they didn't event bother to give you an offer.
Correct, everyone in my interview group had all these bank robberies to report, poor attitude at the interview, low credit scores, poor sim evals and so forth. You got it. I am sure that was all it was- just a bunch of rejects, people who are useless for any aviation-related purpose. Most of the pilots they interview are in that class for some reason though. That was it.
Old 06-04-2013 | 06:50 AM
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Correct, everyone in my interview group had all these bank robberies to report, poor attitude at the interview, low credit scores, poor sim evals and so forth. You got it. I am sure that was all it was- just a bunch of rejects, people who are useless for any aviation-related purpose. Most of the pilots they interview are in that class for some reason though. That was it.
so what you are saying is that your attitude was the culprit... got it, thanks
Old 06-04-2013 | 06:58 AM
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so what you are saying is that your attitude was the culprit... got it, thanks
Well it is most pilots actually. It's most of any given interview group- fighting, arguing, stealing, smelly, incompetent- you can't staff an airplane with that sort of riff raff. First thing they do is steal the emblems off the airplane, followed by the radios and detachable equipment. Regionals have to sort these scoundrels out of any given interview group (most of the group) or they will lose money hand over fist. Too bad there aren't enough real pilots to be had, the current pilot shortage is severe.
Old 06-04-2013 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by What
So what skeleton did you have in your closet?

It seems that they didn't offer you the job because, either your attitude or you had something non disclosed in your record. It seems you are bitter about it since they didn't event bother to give you an offer.
You are an idiot! When you interview, its no guarantee that you will be offered a position and you know better than that. You could have a great interview and not get offered a class.
Old 06-04-2013 | 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by SlowATRDriver
You are an idiot! When you interview, its no guarantee that you will be offered a position and you know better than that. You could have a great interview and not get offered a class.
I disagree (unless you are hiding something from the company). They are only interviewing qualified individuals and it is basically yours to lose. I agree with What...most likely an attitude issue.
Old 06-04-2013 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Cubdriver
Well it is most pilots actually. It's most of any given interview group- fighting, arguing, stealing, smelly, incompetent- you can't staff an airplane with that sort of riff raff. First thing they do is steal the emblems off the airplane, followed by the radios and detachable equipment. Regionals have to sort these scoundrels out of any given interview group (most of the group) or they will lose money hand over fist. Too bad there aren't enough real pilots to be had, the current pilot shortage is severe.
How many times has rah shot you down? You sound like an expert in regards to their interview process.
Old 06-04-2013 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Cubdriver
That's not true in my recent experience, not true at all. RAH hired only a few (if any) out of a group of 6 I was with recently. They did not even bother making me an offer despite my meeting all their requirements. They are not having trouble with their pilot supply over at RAH, they are having trouble finding cheap pilots to meet their low cost of training goals. Lots of pilots are showing up, but not as many cheap ones as they desire. They know who is likely to cost them some money, and they send those pilots home. No shortage.

And that is EXACTLY why it's a shortage. These regionals will NOT be raising the pay to a level that attracts qualified candidates. Look at RAH alone. In 2007 they were screaming along with CPAs for just about everyone. Then BB got greedy and decided to dip his toes outside of the safety zone of CPA flying. He bought Midwest and then Frontier, and it has been an epic disaster. Heck, this guy is so desperate to stop the bleeding that he took out ONE seat out of each E190 so that he could avoid negotiating new rates. The contract required new rates for anything over 99 seats, so he just made them have 99 seats. Cheap labor for years. Yippppeeeeee!!!! And now he has been using the RLA to avoid a new contract for 7+ years. Oh and now he needs to sell Frontier. Whoops. Oh and he needs new CPA flying so they get the UAL Q400 flying and are awarded the E175 AMR flying, which will also blow up in his face. They simply won't be able to staff them. Not unless they start parking 50 seat aircraft and get rid of all their E190s.

Bottom line is that regional wages have stagnated/gone down, and that will continue as 50 seat aircraft are parked and less CPA flying is available. Delta management just secured mega cheap feed from Pinnacle(sorry I mean Endeavor) by providing DIP financing. The regional management teams will continue to fight over the scraps that are diminishing, and they'll likely have to continue to do so at a loss to win flying.

As the majors begin to hire, the regional pilots will leave in droves and there will be no one to replace them. Personally, I see the majors having to bring the RJs back to a B scale.
Old 06-04-2013 | 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by SlowATRDriver
You are an idiot! When you interview, its no guarantee that you will be offered a position and you know better than that. You could have a great interview and not get offered a class.
If rah turns people down- they must be very weak candidates- you should see what their allowing into the ranks
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