Pinnacle TA consequences forSkyWest/Expessjet
01-11-2013 | 03:35 PM
#41
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They haven't yet. Shows how little you know about the Constitution and By-Laws.
Pay isn't everything that goes into costing. We still retain some BETTER THAN INDUSTRY STANDARD provisions. Healthcare, min day, JR assignment protection, post-2014 vacation accrual, per diem. Please stop acting like we are GoJet (no "s" on GOJET).
Pay isn't everything that goes into costing. We still retain some BETTER THAN INDUSTRY STANDARD provisions. Healthcare, min day, JR assignment protection, post-2014 vacation accrual, per diem. Please stop acting like we are GoJet (no "s" on GOJET).
Loss of hundreds of jobs.
1/2 captains become f/o's that end up at 4 year pay.
The other 1/2 of the captains get a pay cut.
Do everyone in this country a favor and close your doors. Your management has proven that with whatever labor costs they are unable to maintain a profit. It isn't the wages that are the problem. It's management. Pinnacle pilots had it good for a long stretch. Lots of new airplanes. Fast upgrades....but this couldn't last. You got what you could out of it now move on.
Every dog has a life. It's time for this one to be put down.
01-11-2013 | 05:11 PM
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This line of thought is so funny!
Skywest and ExpressJet guys should not worry about how the 9E TA affects them.
When management comes to you with a big stick and asks for concessions, all you have to do is follow the advice you are giving Pinnacle pilots ................ vote NO.
Problem solved, right?
Skywest and ExpressJet guys should not worry about how the 9E TA affects them.
When management comes to you with a big stick and asks for concessions, all you have to do is follow the advice you are giving Pinnacle pilots ................ vote NO.
Problem solved, right?
The problem is XJT's contract doesn't have a 70/76-seat rate, and a rate can be determined outside of contract negotiations through binding arbitration. The arbitrator will say, "Oh gee, those silly Pinnacle pilots just voted for a really low 76-seat pay rate, so that must be what the market is currently." And he will grant the company offensively low 76-seat wages because your ignorant pilots just voted for them.
And then XJT pilots will be whipsawed against ASA pilots, who already have a 2nd year 76-seat rate that is WAY higher than Pinnacle's new top-end rate.
And the cycle continues.
Thanks, guys. Your lack of foresight might become apparent to you when you're sitting in XJT new hire class making a fraction of what you should have been.
01-11-2013 | 05:16 PM
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Boo hoo cry me a river. Sacrifice myself, my family's livelihood.. all because your worried that it might affect you. Fix your own house, don't complain to me. You all have done nothing, nothing, I'll say it again NOTHING to support us.
01-11-2013 | 05:16 PM
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Easier said than done.
The problem is XJT's contract doesn't have a 70/76-seat rate, and a rate can be determined outside of contract negotiations through binding arbitration. The arbitrator will say, "Oh gee, those silly Pinnacle pilots just voted for a really low 76-seat pay rate, so that must be what the market is currently." And he will grant the company offensively low 76-seat wages because your ignorant pilots just voted for them.
And then XJT pilots will be whipsawed against ASA pilots, who already have a 2nd year 76-seat rate that is WAY higher than Pinnacle's new top-end rate.
And the cycle continues.
Thanks, guys. Your lack of foresight might become apparent to you when you're sitting in XJT new hire class making a fraction of what you should have been.
The problem is XJT's contract doesn't have a 70/76-seat rate, and a rate can be determined outside of contract negotiations through binding arbitration. The arbitrator will say, "Oh gee, those silly Pinnacle pilots just voted for a really low 76-seat pay rate, so that must be what the market is currently." And he will grant the company offensively low 76-seat wages because your ignorant pilots just voted for them.
And then XJT pilots will be whipsawed against ASA pilots, who already have a 2nd year 76-seat rate that is WAY higher than Pinnacle's new top-end rate.
And the cycle continues.
Thanks, guys. Your lack of foresight might become apparent to you when you're sitting in XJT new hire class making a fraction of what you should have been.
01-11-2013 | 05:17 PM
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hmmmm
Loss of hundreds of jobs.
1/2 captains become f/o's that end up at 4 year pay.
The other 1/2 of the captains get a pay cut.
Do everyone in this country a favor and close your doors. Your management has proven that with whatever labor costs they are unable to maintain a profit. It isn't the wages that are the problem. It's management. Pinnacle pilots had it good for a long stretch. Lots of new airplanes. Fast upgrades....but this couldn't last. You got what you could out of it now move on.
Every dog has a life. It's time for this one to be put down.
Loss of hundreds of jobs.
1/2 captains become f/o's that end up at 4 year pay.
The other 1/2 of the captains get a pay cut.
Do everyone in this country a favor and close your doors. Your management has proven that with whatever labor costs they are unable to maintain a profit. It isn't the wages that are the problem. It's management. Pinnacle pilots had it good for a long stretch. Lots of new airplanes. Fast upgrades....but this couldn't last. You got what you could out of it now move on.
Every dog has a life. It's time for this one to be put down.
01-11-2013 | 05:25 PM
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Easier said than done.
The problem is XJT's contract doesn't have a 70/76-seat rate, and a rate can be determined outside of contract negotiations through binding arbitration. The arbitrator will say, "Oh gee, those silly Pinnacle pilots just voted for a really low 76-seat pay rate, so that must be what the market is currently." And he will grant the company offensively low 76-seat wages because your ignorant pilots just voted for them.
And then XJT pilots will be whipsawed against ASA pilots, who already have a 2nd year 76-seat rate that is WAY higher than Pinnacle's new top-end rate.
And the cycle continues.
Thanks, guys. Your lack of foresight might become apparent to you when you're sitting in XJT new hire class making a fraction of what you should have been.
The problem is XJT's contract doesn't have a 70/76-seat rate, and a rate can be determined outside of contract negotiations through binding arbitration. The arbitrator will say, "Oh gee, those silly Pinnacle pilots just voted for a really low 76-seat pay rate, so that must be what the market is currently." And he will grant the company offensively low 76-seat wages because your ignorant pilots just voted for them.
And then XJT pilots will be whipsawed against ASA pilots, who already have a 2nd year 76-seat rate that is WAY higher than Pinnacle's new top-end rate.
And the cycle continues.
Thanks, guys. Your lack of foresight might become apparent to you when you're sitting in XJT new hire class making a fraction of what you should have been.
01-11-2013 | 05:27 PM
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You all have done nothing, nothing, I'll say it again NOTHING to support us.
01-11-2013 | 05:29 PM
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Remember after the Mesaba buyout, when Pinnacle wanted to picket outside HQs against management, and Mesaba and Colgan committees sent out emails saying they would not be with Pinnacle on the picket, because they don't believe it's the right thing to do, and they are giving management more time?? Yeah, good times. So much for "support" from fellow brothers.
01-11-2013 | 05:30 PM
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01-11-2013 | 05:37 PM
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Mesaba didn't have 76 seat aircraft but we made damn sure those rates were in the contract we signed prior to this merger circus.
ASA had the foresight, why does it come down to another carrier to help you with an oversight in your glorious contract.
XJT and ASA pilots wouldn't do squat to help Pinnacle pilots out. I guarantee most of you guys would be very happy if we voted ourselves out of business.
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