Pinnacle TA consequences forSkyWest/Expessjet
01-11-2013 | 08:16 AM
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When I vote no and my company shuts down I will personally come kick you in the nuts regardless. Then I'll ask you for a check to pay for my mortgage and my kids while I go through another regional training program and first year pay. Sound good to you? Thanks for the help buddy, I appreciate it!
01-11-2013 | 08:56 AM
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I was a firm NO vote but coming on here and reading all these other "pilots" complain about THEIR future because of OUR contract have turned my vote into a YES. Instead of coming on here and pleading your case you would be better off contacting your local leaders and demanding a national seniority list. Many of you think you do not have a say in how this vote goes but you have convinced me to vote yes, you can now tell all your buddies/co-workers that you helped to pass the 9E concessionary TA.
01-11-2013 | 09:02 AM
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They haven't yet. Shows how little you know about the Constitution and By-Laws.
Pay isn't everything that goes into costing. We still retain some BETTER THAN INDUSTRY STANDARD provisions. Healthcare, min day, JR assignment protection, post-2014 vacation accrual, per diem. Please stop acting like we are GoJet (no "s" on GOJET).
Pay isn't everything that goes into costing. We still retain some BETTER THAN INDUSTRY STANDARD provisions. Healthcare, min day, JR assignment protection, post-2014 vacation accrual, per diem. Please stop acting like we are GoJet (no "s" on GOJET).
01-11-2013 | 09:14 AM
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What's with some of you asking for longevity pay and seniority integration? Really? You get hired somewhere else, you go to the bottom. Why is Pinnacle any different?
It sucks what's happening, and it sucks that this TA will more than likely pass. Unfortunately the majority can't see the forest through the trees.
It sucks what's happening, and it sucks that this TA will more than likely pass. Unfortunately the majority can't see the forest through the trees.
01-11-2013 | 09:30 AM
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What's with some of you asking for longevity pay and seniority integration? Really? You get hired somewhere else, you go to the bottom. Why is Pinnacle any different?
It sucks what's happening, and it sucks that this TA will more than likely pass. Unfortunately the majority can't see the forest through the trees.
It sucks what's happening, and it sucks that this TA will more than likely pass. Unfortunately the majority can't see the forest through the trees.
#1 - why should any unionized group care how a non-unionized group does based on our hard fought contracts. Skywest guys, go ALPA, then complain.
#2 - if you are on a portion of the list not subject to immediate furlough, why would you vote to shut your company down sooner since you start over at year 1 pay.
Year 4 TA pay is about $37 I believe. Well, year one everywhere is $20, and reserve. So, get shafted with pay and schedule, or lose pay rate and make up for it by bidding 18 days off and picking up red flag trips?? Hm.. Not so easy is it?
01-11-2013 | 09:35 AM
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#1 - why should any unionized group care how a non-unionized group does based on our hard fought contracts. Skywest guys, go ALPA, then complain.
#2 - if you are on a portion of the list not subject to immediate furlough, why would you vote to shut your company down sooner since you start over at year 1 pay.
Year 4 TA pay is about $37 I believe. Well, year one everywhere is $20, and reserve. So, get shafted with pay and schedule, or lose pay rate and make up for it by bidding 18 days off and picking up red flag trips?? Hm.. Not so easy is it?
#2 - if you are on a portion of the list not subject to immediate furlough, why would you vote to shut your company down sooner since you start over at year 1 pay.
Year 4 TA pay is about $37 I believe. Well, year one everywhere is $20, and reserve. So, get shafted with pay and schedule, or lose pay rate and make up for it by bidding 18 days off and picking up red flag trips?? Hm.. Not so easy is it?
2.) you're company will not shut down overnight. It would wind down over a course of 1yr+. Either way 65% will need to look for a job regardless.
3.) year 2 here at OO is 38. And tops at 48. I know you can do math so which one has the greater earning potential?
Food for thought, the majors won't be hiring like gangbusters as much as everyone believes.
01-11-2013 | 09:48 AM
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We do. It's a 4 hr. min day.
I'm sorry that you all are being thrown into the fire for contract negotiations. It seems like my expirence at Comair is spreading to the rest of the industry.
I'm sorry that you all are being thrown into the fire for contract negotiations. It seems like my expirence at Comair is spreading to the rest of the industry.
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01-11-2013 | 09:54 AM
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#1 - why should any unionized group care how a non-unionized group does based on our hard fought contracts. Skywest guys, go ALPA, then complain.
I'm not really sure what your point is here. I fly for a ALPA carrier. While I'm disgusted that ALPA would even present this garbage TA for vote, it had nothing to do with SKYW unionizing.
#2 - if you are on a portion of the list not subject to immediate furlough, why would you vote to shut your company down sooner since you start over at year 1 pay.
I can honestly see why the top 400 would vote yes for this. That's it. The rest are taking it in the shorts. Whether you're currently a captain about to get displaced or a FO to get furloughed, why not vote NO? You are simply screwing yourself at your next job! Think long term rational. Not short term emotional.
Year 4 TA pay is about $37 I believe. Well, year one everywhere is $20, and reserve. So, get shafted with pay and schedule, or lose pay rate and make up for it by bidding 18 days off and picking up red flag trips?? Hm.. Not so easy is it?
I'm not really sure what your point is here. I fly for a ALPA carrier. While I'm disgusted that ALPA would even present this garbage TA for vote, it had nothing to do with SKYW unionizing.
#2 - if you are on a portion of the list not subject to immediate furlough, why would you vote to shut your company down sooner since you start over at year 1 pay.
I can honestly see why the top 400 would vote yes for this. That's it. The rest are taking it in the shorts. Whether you're currently a captain about to get displaced or a FO to get furloughed, why not vote NO? You are simply screwing yourself at your next job! Think long term rational. Not short term emotional.
Year 4 TA pay is about $37 I believe. Well, year one everywhere is $20, and reserve. So, get shafted with pay and schedule, or lose pay rate and make up for it by bidding 18 days off and picking up red flag trips?? Hm.. Not so easy is it?
01-11-2013 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Jamers:1327960
The TA is going to pass by a significant margin. We are deciding to punt on fourth and one, down by fourteen. We will still lose, just not as bad of a loss. This is going to suck for you, us and the industry.
The PNCL TA really only affects XJT/SKYW by reducing the rates paid to Delta if there is another "rate reset" in the long term CPA and we are no longer the second lowest cost.
Delta had no choice but to provide PNCL DIP financing, but they used it to work in their favor. If PNCL liquidated SKYW would have an unprecedented amount of leverage in DCI as far as rates.
01-11-2013 | 10:20 AM
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To answer the question... What will they do.. As the aircraft come up on the end of there CPA, 1 of 2 things will happen.. 1. they (SkyW inc) own the Aircraft and its a 700/900. They bid a price that they will make a profit at... If Delta says no.. They take that airplane and fly it for someone else.. 2. They don't own the aircraft (Delta does) they bid a price that will make a profit.. If Delta says no.. They give the keys to GoJet or 9E.. And walk away.. Delta just reset the game.. Just like when your kids playing xbox and you trip over the cord...sorry you have to start over...thanks for playing...
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