I can't believe I'm even reading this. For two years, you guys have thumbed your noses at every single proposal management or L-ASA made. You have bragged how you will shut it down. You bragged the ASA MEC needs to stand aside and [quote] "Let the big boys handle this". You have called the ASA side every aphorism in the book for weak and spineless. Now, suddenly, we stand our ground on the most important issue to us. The one issue our pilots support by an 80+% margin, and you guys label us as the militant miscreants who are holding up the merger, and we get what we deserve. Un freaking believable!

This 900 negotiation your MEC has entered into WILL result in a concessionary rate. it is REQUIRED to go to arbitration is you don't come to an agreement, and management will not agree to anything more than PCL+5%. The arbitrator is required to look at the industry standard, and that standard (Mesa, GoJetss, PSA, PCL) is way below ours. You WILL be forced to fly these planes for cheaper than us, and will then be whipsawed against us. and I suspect you all will be fine with that, since you've convinced yourselves we deserve it for refusing to follow Steve off the cliff.

We are in this predicament because your MEC has held up the show for the last two years. If we'd already agreed to a JCBA, your section 26 would be gone, and management would be negotiating in good faith. Furthermore, your MEC could have pointed to the TPA and told management to shove it. But that hasn't happened. In fact, your MEC has not even allowed the ASA MEC to "observe" these negotiations. So spare my your sanctimonious s#$%.

Gotcha Looking forward to talking to you. XJT's 50 seat rates aren't too far behind our 70 seat rates, so I doubt they'll be undercutting us. I believe they'll get rates done pretty quickly as its my belief the company wants a rate established so they can start placing aircraft over there, likely Eagle and UAX CR7/9 flying

Ding ding ding.....but we'll just let Tony keep running his mouth :rolleyes:

Your understanding it 100% wrong. Management has held the position that they didn't care which PBS vendor we used as long as we all agreed on PBS up until about two months ago. The only part they didn't like was vacation low, which we have already agreed to modify.

hi pot, meet the kettle. :rolleyes:

If it went to arbitration, the 76-seat rate would have to be higher than the current 50-seat rate right?

I forgot how much money they're making on YOUR BACKS!!!

Listen Tony, im not on here playing games, trying to "get a rise out of people" as you put it, im just telling you what happened. The cliff notes are very simple: we said we'd prefer to keep line bidding, you said you prefer flightline. We said ok, we'll do some research and get back to you with a compromise. We spend hundreds of hours researching different bidding systems and concluded that flightline is not acceptable for our pilots. We offered Smartpref as a compromise. You concluded (based on very little research using no work rules) that Smartpref was also unacceptable for your group in addition to our line bidding (which you also did zero research on...in fact, you never even looked at it). We said ok, please provide us with another alternative. We gave you one when you said no to line bidding so please give us one since we are saying no to flightline. You said you will not accept any other system. Then the company comes out and says flightline has actually increased costs from line bidding and they are also interested in an alternative. They begin working with us to negotiate 70+ seat rates. Are we married to Smartpref? NO. Are we married to line bidding? No but we do like it. All we ask is for you the present one system that is acceptable to your pilot group other than flightline. The position of the 5% of our pilots who post on the crackpipe has NEVER been the position of the MEC. So please stop referring to such posts as our past position. There, did I miss anything? Flame on man, flame on.

In one of the many Pinnacle TA threads, I saw a quick comparison of their new rates with our current CRJ and ERJ rates. I can't find it now -- does anyone know how 9E's new 900 rate compares to the current ERJ rate?

Its quite a bit less. XJT is currently on 50 seat concessionary rates that still blow 9Es 900 rates out of the water. FO top out is $44, CA tops at $97.