Yes and you have tried to get our guys to cut language for those rules.

So you have no works rules for either the XJT side or the ASA side. Where we have work rules for the ASA and none for the XJT side.

Would it be easier to negotiate work rules for 1 side since the other already has them? Would it be easier to program changes to a PBS system for 1 side or 2 sides?

 

The company said no in DEC.

With the problems that you are having just on a small scale use at this time do you have enough faith in SP to turn it on for 4700 pilots? Have you fixed the CDO issue?

 

Lets tell the truth. Company does not want SP on. They know that it will not work in a full bidding cycle with all the pilots in all the bases.

 

You must be like your MEC, not living in the reality of the situation. Why? Because that is what our MEC decided to compromise on to move this merger forward. Despite the line pilots preferring our line bidding, they moved their position to smartpref. Now its up to your MEC to compromise. Or the company will start placing dual class RJs somewhere other than ASA. Anyway, this is all about moving goal posts. Smartpref is being implemented, its bugs are being worked out, its being reprogrammed for our work rules, its being tested for improvements, and its working like its supposed to be to the satisfaction of most. So you have to change your argument which was that it had no customers, its unproven, no work rules, everyone will hate it, etc. Also, its been shown that flight line in its current incarnation would be a decrease in QOL to the XJT side. And that's with vacation low, which has already been conceded. Smartpref doesn't require vacation low so no negotiating capital will be required to keep it in flight line, which like I said, would be a decrease in QOL anyway. Make sense yet?


The company said yes in the summer but your MEC turned dual tracks down back then. Plus, there are no problems with smartpref. The bugs that it does have are being worked out but most everyone that has used it has been happy with it. By the way, flight line didn't have the ability to award lines with CDOs. Our contract doesn't allow building of any lines with it so the CDO reprogram has been put on hold for now. But it was in the works, just not a priority at this time.

This is false. They will take smartpref or some watered down version of flight line without vacation low. But they prefer that smartpref comes up with a viable solution the first time without subjective human interaction, manipulation of thresholds, unstacking, sort bias, coin tosses, etc.

 

Vacation low has not been conceded.

 

Maybe not publicly. In any case, you don't think management will want that gone if we stay with flight line? Everything I've heard is, yes. It will take lots of negotiating capital to keep it that can be used somewhere else just to keep something that would be concessionary to the LXJT side.

 

Nevets, please stop with the MEC Talking Points. It's so transparent.

 

I havent been told or given anything to say on behalf of anyone. And that is what I was saying about some of your guys' post. Every time something goes down, there are a handful of your guys on the pipe all saying and asking the same leading questions.

 

Going back to the beginning of this forum, in my opinion every change have to be to be for good and better or don't even try to change. Taking a dine or penny less of what I'm making now or flying higher capacity aircraft for the same as now. I'm not following the flag****ters on it I say Burn,burn,burn mother....,burn,burn....Now on PBS, SP deal ask everyone that had an opportunity of using both line bidding and PBS which one the will pick 100% of them will use line bidding. The only people supporting PBS is the first 300 top seniority or who'd never used anything else....

 

I'm with you except that part! Line bidding completely, totally, 100% SUCKS compared to pref bidding! It's not even close, and nearly every old ASA pilot agrees. I want NO PART of sorting through 300+ lines every month seeing which one comes closest to what I want in terms of credit, days off, which days I'm working, what time I start and where I overnight! Pref bidding is far superior.