Prime example of "someone on the interweb who claims they have inside track info".

CPAs ("Capacity Purchase Agreements") are agreements between managements. You have no idea what's in them, or how often they are modified. You are claiming something you "heard" and can never prove. Fact is, you have no idea how your CPA was modified when it became a deal between SkyWest and UAL. I'm so tired of your side trying to throw your CPA in our faces and claim you have the upper hand. It's almost becoming laughable.

The bottom line is that because your side has come up with every reason under the sun to drag out and torpedo this JCBA, your side is now being drug to an arbitrator to have an "industry standard" CRJ-900 rate imposed. And of course, it will be whipsawed against our side. You only have yourselves to blame, so quit trying to spin anything into a rosy picture, and quit trying to tell us how YOUR ACQUIRED AIRLINE has the upper hand in anything.

 

Whoa there space troll cowboy. Didn't Skywest acquire Asa in the same manner? Pretty sure Asa didn't buy expressjet, some Mormons did.

 

Semantics. Actually, SkyWest Inc (the parent company) gave its subsidiary, Atlantic Southeast the money to purchase ExpressJet, who purchased it, made it a wholly owned subsidiary of Atlantic Southeast, and then later merged it with Atlantic Southeast. So regardless of where the money actually changed hands, your nearly bankrupt company was acquired. Get over it. No word smithing will change that. You have no upper hand. And I doubt religion has anything to do with it at all.

 

Lol man you must real be regreting staying here now, eh Tony? You can spin this any way you want, im not going to continue to debate with you on here. You really do live up to your reputation. As for the CPA, I can only go by information provided in earnings calls, alpa, the cpo, ect. Im sure you feel the same way I do...I hope im long gone before we see how true any of it is. Thanks for your usual productive contribution to this thread tho!

 

Insults and innuendo. That's all you got.

 

Lol im fresh out man. Just want this stupid thing done so we dont have to hear about it every day. From talking to you guys in person most are very nice and feel the same way I do. We dont want to be whipsawed but also dont want to go from 18 days off to 12 working weekends. Everyone is just trying to protect their QOL on both sides, I get it. Looks like you guys want to meet again next week so heres to hoping its productive!

 

That's not hard data for anybody, except secondary bids. Where's the primary bid? The primary bid is what really matters, not the secondary. And we need to see it next to any other options before it is meaningful. Have you ever had that experience where you buy something, like a computer, at the store, and the salesman pushes a couple of buttons, resulting in some kind of amazing display of capability? Then you get home and all you can do is power it up and watch a blank screen. That is what Smart Pref currently is for us. Again, I am not for or against any system, but I want to see results, not a sales pitch. We know how Flightline works, since we have already gone through the painful process of researching it, implementing it, and debugging it. Nobody really knows how, or if, SmartPref will really perform for primary bidding. What do we say if we implement SmartPref, we find that it doesn't work the way we expected, and it actually ends up worse for everybody? Who is willing to take that chance?

 

Well, if you came from our phase 2 bidding, more than likely, you would like smartpref. And it is that your MEC is unwilling to look at another option. They turned down third party neutral arbitration.

They wanted to change smartpref into flight line. When they wanted it to have multiple bid sheets or when thats not the way it works, and it was explained to them, they insisted anyway because it didn't do it the flight line way. They were unwilling to sit down and give an honest objective look at smartpref. THAT'S why your MEC go that letter. The crewing solutions guy felt like his time was wasted. And no doors were closed, unless your MEC can't get over their own egos. Trust me, if by some miracle your MEC wanted to use smartpref, do you honestly think that crewing solutions will say no?

Very good point! And its exactly what management asked your guys at the negotiation table. Do you want to hold up the entire merger over a pbs vendor, not work rules? The answer was yes.

The CAL CPA has given us replacement rights for 75 aircraft and an additional 15 aircraft growth. CAL can park the 50 seaters as their leases come due. The first lease comes due sometime this year and the last one comes due in 2021.

Actually, I have a redacted copy of all the CPAs, including the latest one that Skywest Inc signed when they bought XJT. It has everything other than monetary figures.

As for dragging this out, if asking not to take concessions is dragging it out, then I'm all for indefinite negotiations. Bu this is not the case here. Your own MEC has stated three things: scope, rates, and pbs. Well, you can't really go onto rates unless you have pbs so their ultimatum did stop negotiations in its tracks. As for imposed rates, thank your MEC's ultimatum for that. Management would not have played that card if your MEC hadn't stomped their feet. Blame your MEC for that!

You forget to mention the timing of Skywest's acquisition. ASA was going to reimbursed the 2nd lowest rate in DCI. That's why Skywest Inc bought us when they did. We were losing money because of the Skywest whipsaw from 2008 but they had to buy us when they did rather than to wait and see if we went bankrupt OR bought by someone else, to save you guys from also entering a money losing CPA with DAL. Now they can save money on both sides by merging us, pocketing synergy savings, spread cost over more aircraft, economies of scale, leverage our size with third party vendors, etc.

You make it sound like St George did any of this over benevolence for XJT and that they just wanted to save our bankrupt airline.

That may be the way you look at it but that's not the question at hand at the negotiating table. Which is probably why your MEC is having such a hard time of it. Its just not the reality of the situation.

 

What a sad circle jerk.

 

It's not flightline that is going to cause you to go from 18 days off to 12 days off....The new rest rules will take care of that....