These ideas were turned down by your MEC.

Nevets, as the saying goes...You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.....

There is absolutely nothing that can stop you guys from using Smartpref for phase 1 just like you are doing for phase 2. Why don't you guys start using Smartpref for phase 1? What is stopping you? Prove us wrong. If it is successful, then your pilots will be as happy as our pilots are with flightline.....What is stopping you? It isn't our MEC.

Why don't you push your MEC to implement Smartpref for phase 1 bidding? We aren't stopping you. If you guys like it as much as we like flightline, maybe you can convince the majority here.

Because in order to do this we would have to negotiate work rules for PBS and have our pilots vote on them.

Get busy then....We already have done that and are happy with our results...If you can do better, then go ahead and do it and stop talking about it...

This is the essence of the debate....We have a negotiated PBS system that is in use and is liked....You have a theoretical PBS system that hasn't been negotiated, isn't in use, and isn't liked by your own pilots....

Why would we want to swap out a negotiated system that works and is liked for a theoretical system that isn't currently used or liked?

What does it say to our side when your side doesn't even want it?

The company has said they won't sign a contract without PBS. We are trying to compromise by finding a PBS system that preserves what we currently have. This is why right now management only sees one group willing to compromise. ALPA national agrees. You cant draw a line in the sand during negotiations Joe. Thats when they stop becoming negotiations.

Do you realize how absurd that argument is? You just said that management has drawn a line in the sand by saying that they won't sign a contract without PBS, and then you went on to say that you "can't draw a line in the sand during negotiations"....Which is it? Are you implying that only management can draw a line in the sand?

By the way....We told your side two years ago that management wasn't going to sign an agreement without PBS...But your side didn't believe us...

Yes and you have tried to get our guys to cut language for those rules.

So you have no works rules for either the XJT side or the ASA side. Where we have work rules for the ASA and none for the XJT side.

Would it be easier to negotiate work rules for 1 side since the other already has them? Would it be easier to program changes to a PBS system for 1 side or 2 sides?

The company said no in DEC.

With the problems that you are having just on a small scale use at this time do you have enough faith in SP to turn it on for 4700 pilots? Have you fixed the CDO issue?

Lets tell the truth. Company does not want SP on. They know that it will not work in a full bidding cycle with all the pilots in all the bases.