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01-23-2013 | 04:15 PM
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They wanted to change smartpref into flight line. When they wanted it to have multiple bid sheets or when thats not the way it works, and it was explained to them, they insisted anyway because it didn't do it the flight line way. They were unwilling to sit down and give an honest objective look at smartpref. THAT'S why your MEC go that letter. The crewing solutions guy felt like his time was wasted. And no doors were closed, unless your MEC can't get over their own egos. Trust me, if by some miracle your MEC wanted to use smartpref, do you honestly think that crewing solutions will say no?
If our side needs multiple bid sheets, and Smartpref won't do that....How is saying no to Smartpref for us any different than your side saying no to Flightline?..It's the same thing.
Here are two possible solutions:
1. Your side can start using Smartpref for phase 1 and then we can compare the two systems in live action.
2. We find a third system that meets both requirements.
01-23-2013 | 04:27 PM
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I'm ready for this all to be over as well...however...
...I will vote no for an overall sum less than what we have now (L-XJT). If we have to accept a new scheduling system (whether it be SP or FL), that's fine...but the company will have to pay dearly for any departure from line-bidding...read *concession*. In the end, I'm a NO VOTE for any TA that doesn't sum up to a complete positive in $$ and QoL.
FUPM.
...I will vote no for an overall sum less than what we have now (L-XJT). If we have to accept a new scheduling system (whether it be SP or FL), that's fine...but the company will have to pay dearly for any departure from line-bidding...read *concession*. In the end, I'm a NO VOTE for any TA that doesn't sum up to a complete positive in $$ and QoL.
FUPM.
01-23-2013 | 04:42 PM
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I am all for running a parallel phase 1 test bid. I am also all for option 2. If you guys lift your ultimatum next week we can get busy on this.
01-23-2013 | 04:44 PM
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They wanted to change smartpref into flight line. When they wanted it to have multiple bid sheets or when thats not the way it works, and it was explained to them, they insisted anyway because it didn't do it the flight line way. They were unwilling to sit down and give an honest objective look at smartpref. THAT'S why your MEC go that letter. The crewing solutions guy felt like his time was wasted. And no doors were closed, unless your MEC can't get over their own egos. Trust me, if by some miracle your MEC wanted to use smartpref, do you honestly think that crewing solutions will say no?
If our side needs multiple bid sheets, and Smartpref won't do that....How is saying no to Smartpref for us any different than your side saying no to Flightline?..It's the same thing.
Here are two possible solutions:
1. Your side can start using Smartpref for phase 1 and then we can compare the two systems in live action.
2. We find a third system that meets both requirements.
01-23-2013 | 04:52 PM
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Nevets, as the saying goes...You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.....
There is absolutely nothing that can stop you guys from using Smartpref for phase 1 just like you are doing for phase 2. Why don't you guys start using Smartpref for phase 1? What is stopping you? Prove us wrong. If it is successful, then your pilots will be as happy as our pilots are with flightline.....What is stopping you? It isn't our MEC.
There is absolutely nothing that can stop you guys from using Smartpref for phase 1 just like you are doing for phase 2. Why don't you guys start using Smartpref for phase 1? What is stopping you? Prove us wrong. If it is successful, then your pilots will be as happy as our pilots are with flightline.....What is stopping you? It isn't our MEC.
01-23-2013 | 04:54 PM
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Why don't you push your MEC to implement Smartpref for phase 1 bidding? We aren't stopping you. If you guys like it as much as we like flightline, maybe you can convince the majority here.
01-23-2013 | 05:05 PM
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Because in order to do this we would have to negotiate work rules for PBS and have our pilots vote on them.
01-23-2013 | 05:11 PM
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This is the essence of the debate....We have a negotiated PBS system that is in use and is liked....You have a theoretical PBS system that hasn't been negotiated, isn't in use, and isn't liked by your own pilots....
Why would we want to swap out a negotiated system that works and is liked for a theoretical system that isn't currently used or liked?
What does it say to our side when your side doesn't even want it?
01-23-2013 | 05:15 PM
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Get busy then....We already have done that and are happy with our results...If you can do better, then go ahead and do it and stop talking about it...
This is the essence of the debate....We have a negotiated PBS system that is in use and is liked....You have a theoretical PBS system that hasn't been negotiated, isn't in use, and isn't liked by your own pilots....
Why would we want to swap out a negotiated system that works and is liked for a theoretical system that isn't currently used or liked?
What does it say to our side when your side doesn't even want it?
This is the essence of the debate....We have a negotiated PBS system that is in use and is liked....You have a theoretical PBS system that hasn't been negotiated, isn't in use, and isn't liked by your own pilots....
Why would we want to swap out a negotiated system that works and is liked for a theoretical system that isn't currently used or liked?
What does it say to our side when your side doesn't even want it?
The company has said they won't sign a contract without PBS. We are trying to compromise by finding a PBS system that preserves what we currently have. This is why right now management only sees one group willing to compromise. ALPA national agrees. You cant draw a line in the sand during negotiations Joe. Thats when they stop becoming negotiations.
01-23-2013 | 05:27 PM
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The company has said they won't sign a contract without PBS. We are trying to compromise by finding a PBS system that preserves what we currently have. This is why right now management only sees one group willing to compromise. ALPA national agrees. You cant draw a line in the sand during negotiations Joe. Thats when they stop becoming negotiations.
By the way....We told your side two years ago that management wasn't going to sign an agreement without PBS...But your side didn't believe us...
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