XJT Whipsaw
01-27-2013, 06:28 AM
#191
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Posts: 259
Originally Posted by afterburn81
Can you honestly say that you are proud of each and every guy that you work with? That the pilot group you work with is doing everything possible with a great deal of professionalism, maturity and plain old respect to see to it that this merger results in a fair unity?
I separate myself from people (no matter who they work for) that are knowingly, and willfully fighting the grain on this merger. I'm talking about selfish inconsiderate egotistical people. You know they are out there. You know they are a large part of the problem. If you can't see this then I really feel for you man. I do. I also apologize for being embarrassed by people like that.
I take pride in what I do. I'd like to think I do it well. But I'm only one person that should be unified amongst many others with the same desires and pride. However that is not the case. And now more than ever it's evident that selfish people are ruining this industry. Maybe you should open your eyes a little. There's a lot going on out there. But maybe you don't want to know. After all, ignorance is bliss.......
I separate myself from people (no matter who they work for) that are knowingly, and willfully fighting the grain on this merger. I'm talking about selfish inconsiderate egotistical people. You know they are out there. You know they are a large part of the problem. If you can't see this then I really feel for you man. I do. I also apologize for being embarrassed by people like that.
I take pride in what I do. I'd like to think I do it well. But I'm only one person that should be unified amongst many others with the same desires and pride. However that is not the case. And now more than ever it's evident that selfish people are ruining this industry. Maybe you should open your eyes a little. There's a lot going on out there. But maybe you don't want to know. After all, ignorance is bliss.......
Not that I take anything on here personally, just an observation of your posts.
01-27-2013, 07:30 AM
#192
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Posts: 42
AB81. Not trying to always argue your posts although I'm sure it is starting to look that way.
Reserve at XJT is "less" than ASA because they were having more movement. If you take the % of people on reserve in each category it is less with PBS, you can't look at time on reserve because that depends on movement.
Reserve at XJT is "less" than ASA because they were having more movement. If you take the % of people on reserve in each category it is less with PBS, you can't look at time on reserve because that depends on movement.
01-27-2013, 10:56 AM
#193
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Posts: 1,951
Originally Posted by afterburn81
Can you honestly say that you are proud of each and every guy that you work with? That the pilot group you work with is doing everything possible with a great deal of professionalism, maturity and plain old respect to see to it that this merger results in a fair unity?
I separate myself from people (no matter who they work for) that are knowingly, and willfully fighting the grain on this merger. I'm talking about selfish inconsiderate egotistical people. You know they are out there. You know they are a large part of the problem. If you can't see this then I really feel for you man. I do. I also apologize for being embarrassed by people like that.
I take pride in what I do. I'd like to think I do it well. But I'm only one person that should be unified amongst many others with the same desires and pride. However that is not the case. And now more than ever it's evident that selfish people are ruining this industry. Maybe you should open your eyes a little. There's a lot going on out there. But maybe you don't want to know. After all, ignorance is bliss.......
I separate myself from people (no matter who they work for) that are knowingly, and willfully fighting the grain on this merger. I'm talking about selfish inconsiderate egotistical people. You know they are out there. You know they are a large part of the problem. If you can't see this then I really feel for you man. I do. I also apologize for being embarrassed by people like that.
I take pride in what I do. I'd like to think I do it well. But I'm only one person that should be unified amongst many others with the same desires and pride. However that is not the case. And now more than ever it's evident that selfish people are ruining this industry. Maybe you should open your eyes a little. There's a lot going on out there. But maybe you don't want to know. After all, ignorance is bliss.......
01-27-2013, 12:21 PM
#194
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Position: EMB 145 CPT
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Originally Posted by Nevets
AdOpt sorts the lines for us, if you want to use that feature.
Originally Posted by xjtguy
And the standard point would be used;
Line bidding sucked the way ASA used to do it. So prefbiddig is better than what was used before.
However, just like many XJT pilots don't know about flightline, an vast majority of ASA pilots DON'T know about the line bid work rules on the ERJ side.
Line bidding sucked the way ASA used to do it. So prefbiddig is better than what was used before.
However, just like many XJT pilots don't know about flightline, an vast majority of ASA pilots DON'T know about the line bid work rules on the ERJ side.
Constraints in a tough month could get into the upper echelons very easily with SmartPref system. The hype is work rules can change this. Problem is that if you write rules for this and restrict it, there is no resolution for this if a large stack occurs except to let it go higher. (Basically waive rules you've fought for) There is NO safety valve except higher global constraints. Just because you can see it doesn't make it suck any less.
01-27-2013, 03:22 PM
#195
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Actually it's a lot more than add pay and bad day worse day trades. And my understanding is that flight line does NOT bid into conflicts with your vacation day and therefore dropping those trips into open time, like our line bidding your comparing it too. Anyway, smartpref doesn't work like that either but you can maximize your vacation even if you're in the constrained group.
Good grief. Didn't read it all did you. It's your trip trading rights and how its done. I understand it better than you know my system. Get over it. BTW, the globalizing that is done within your line bidding... It is completely mitigated by those great trip trading rules you have.
01-28-2013, 05:25 AM
#196
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Actually it's a lot more than add pay and bad day worse day trades. And my understanding is that flight line does NOT bid into conflicts with your vacation day and therefore dropping those trips into open time, like our line bidding your comparing it too. Anyway, smartpref doesn't work like that either but you can maximize your vacation even if you're in the constrained group.
Good grief. Didn't read it all did you. It's your trip trading rights and how its done. I understand it better than you know my system. Get over it. BTW, the globalizing that is done within your line bidding... It is completely mitigated by those great trip trading rules you have.
01-28-2013, 06:24 AM
#197
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Relax. If you re-read what I wrote. I'm only disagreeing with your comparison of how flight line's conflict bidding compare to our work rules for vacation. It's not the same. And like I said, it's more than add pay, bad day worse day and whatever trip trading rights you think we have.
This thread is labeled "XJT Whipsaw" is it not? This refers to a tactic of poising two groups against one another. The irony of this thread is that it constantly veers into doing just that. Until people start trying to see things in another way (not necessarily liking it. Just seeing it that way) the whipsawing will continue. You can see it in how people get defensive over stupid details and like to call you out on it rather than give you the benefit of the doubt.
My posts are more of an eye opener than someone trying to debate what's better or worse. It's tough watching this all out war that doesn't have to be. Especially when you see what it has done to airlines in the past. Just another thing to do think about.
01-28-2013, 07:06 AM
#199
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
It's not worth getting worked up about. I tried pointing out a a different view and all you get is crap for it.
This thread is labeled "XJT Whipsaw" is it not? This refers to a tactic of poising two groups against one another. The irony of this thread is that it constantly veers into doing just that. Until people start trying to see things in another way (not necessarily liking it. Just seeing it that way) the whipsawing will continue. You can see it in how people get defensive over stupid details and like to call you out on it rather than give you the benefit of the doubt.
My posts are more of an eye opener than someone trying to debate what's better or worse. It's tough watching this all out war that doesn't have to be. Especially when you see what it has done to airlines in the past. Just another thing to do think about.
This thread is labeled "XJT Whipsaw" is it not? This refers to a tactic of poising two groups against one another. The irony of this thread is that it constantly veers into doing just that. Until people start trying to see things in another way (not necessarily liking it. Just seeing it that way) the whipsawing will continue. You can see it in how people get defensive over stupid details and like to call you out on it rather than give you the benefit of the doubt.
My posts are more of an eye opener than someone trying to debate what's better or worse. It's tough watching this all out war that doesn't have to be. Especially when you see what it has done to airlines in the past. Just another thing to do think about.
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