My bad on that number. I was thinking of the number of pilots on the 7/9. I was trying to say most of the junior FO's and Captains that I speak to. Not 200-300 people saying the same thing. Came out wrong.

 

I'm not trying to sell line bidding on anyone, but if anyone wants to see a bid packet with the lines please PM me your email address and date of hire (for seniority purposes) and I will send you out a bid packet and show what you can hold. I've done it before in IAD on a long sit and I'll do it again. It isn't some God fearing device created by the Illuminati like some ASA folks make it out to be. Quite simple and I get my schedule very early in the month too.

And if I feel like it, hit up the Initial Window to improve it.

 

I recall when we did line bidding, I would eventually end up with the exact schedule I wanted. A little strategic bidding on the right line and you can swap out what you didn't like in open time to finish it off. Worked every time. I was much more satisfied each month with my schedule.

Sure there is a little compromise here and there. But there were no hidden tricks on how to manipulate the schedule into doing things that are completely counterintuitive to the desired outcome. If you had to make a small sacrifice, someone else did too. PBS awards EVERYTHING to the most senior bidder. EVERYTHING.... No sharing what so ever. In line bidding if you want the holiday off, you will have to work weekends. Or sacrifice another day off that you wanted. PBS will just give it all to you if you can hold it. That causes anyone even remotely close to the bottom of the list to have very little say in their schedule. And the whole, they would have been on reserve anyway thing is a load of crap. How long does reserve run at XJET? How long does it run at ASA? For some reason it seems to be less at XJET.

I these are the main differences that people are hung up on. I can see why people like PBS. It's 100% seniority driven. Not knocking it, just a comparison that's all. I'm sure someone is going to get their panties in a bunch and become all defensive. No need.

 

I believe the tone of your rhetoric is just as divisive in achieving "fair unity". No, I don't believe everyone I work with is a great person or pilot. Lots of folks out there for #1, and I've seen a lot of integrity sacrificed in the last 6ish years. Not nearly everyone is this way though, and when you portray yourself as superior to the pilot group as a whole entity, it comes off offensively.

Not that I take anything on here personally, just an observation of your posts.

 

AB81. Not trying to always argue your posts although I'm sure it is starting to look that way.

Reserve at XJT is "less" than ASA because they were having more movement. If you take the % of people on reserve in each category it is less with PBS, you can't look at time on reserve because that depends on movement.

 

Who do you think you are? Seriously?

 

Yeah, I was just replying to someone who didn't like line bidding because he didn't want to look through 300 lines. Not all line bidding systems and work rules are the same. I have never sorted through lines because I have adopt sort them for me according to the preferences I select.

Actually it's a lot more than add pay and bad day worse day trades. And my understanding is that flight line does NOT bid into conflicts with your vacation day and therefore dropping those trips into open time, like our line bidding your comparing it too. Anyway, smartpref doesn't work like that either but you can maximize your vacation even if you're in the constrained group.

 

Your understanding is lacking. You conflict out what the system is allowed to chose from making so that there is nothing else to award to because it all conflicts. It is part of the system logic. You're not as educated on it you like think.You can not do with the Messiah's chosen system because it orders ALL the trips. No escape.

Good grief. Didn't read it all did you. It's your trip trading rights and how its done. I understand it better than you know my system. Get over it. BTW, the globalizing that is done within your line bidding... It is completely mitigated by those great trip trading rules you have.

 

Relax. If you re-read what I wrote. I'm only disagreeing with your comparison of how flight line's conflict bidding compare to our work rules for vacation. It's not the same. And like I said, it's more than add pay, bad day worse day and whatever trip trading rights you think we have.

 

It's not worth getting worked up about. I tried pointing out a a different view and all you get is crap for it.

This thread is labeled "XJT Whipsaw" is it not? This refers to a tactic of poising two groups against one another. The irony of this thread is that it constantly veers into doing just that. Until people start trying to see things in another way (not necessarily liking it. Just seeing it that way) the whipsawing will continue. You can see it in how people get defensive over stupid details and like to call you out on it rather than give you the benefit of the doubt.

My posts are more of an eye opener than someone trying to debate what's better or worse. It's tough watching this all out war that doesn't have to be. Especially when you see what it has done to airlines in the past. Just another thing to do think about.