even worse.

 

Here you go making an ass out of yourself again. Why would the company run a vacancy/displacement bid to just redo it all over again by displacing CA back to FO creating even more training cycles. Also, why not just cancel the guys in training since they are the most junior. Why let them finish as the most junior CA are starting training in the next two weeks or so just to pulled them at the end of training or displace them shortly after when the smaller ERJs are parked. Makes no sense.

Now one could say that they are taking ERJs out of ORD as many assumed that all the CRJs were leaving, the company said they would start moving CRJs to NY but they didn't say they were all leaving. Everyone assumed that they were because there are 47 Ejets coming to ORD, or are they. That another fallacy, RAH has 47 Ejets coming to feed AA but they aren't all for ORD.

Eagle will shrink, but Eagle will replace ERJs with CRJs, a combination of 700/900. This has been the plan all along, now PSA is in the mix as they will get some airplanes but most will come here as the pilots are here, and don't give me the whole the pilots at PSA are that much cheaper than Eagle crap. Our compensation is just a small piece of the pie.

Another note, look how the ERJ displacements match the ERJ vacancies. Also look how there is an increase on vacancies on the CRJ in NY. This is because last time all the FO position that were to be reduced were absorbed by guys upgrading, and now they will put new hires on the CRJ in NY as no one in the company can bid it. As far as making it available for displacement, well is not required since you can go anywhere in the system that your seniority could hold so it's a moot point. But carry on sir!

Eagle continues to spend $$$ on new hires just so they can Comair us, or is that Pinnacle us, Is PSA being Eagled?!?!?!

***There weren't upgrades on this vacancy because the numbered guys aren't going to AA for 8-10 weeks, since APA change the payout at AA over 100 guys whom perviously deferred recall came running in matter of days creating a training bubble, so they are shrinking the amount of guys they take in but will take them in so they can get the pay out. Then in October-November time frame you will see 50 Eagle guys go a month and I am suspecting 100 of those guys will go. So that puts another vacancy bid in September!

 

Training cost at PSA is next to none for 900s or additional 700s as they're all typed in the AC. That alone isn't cheap to retype pilots from am erj to a crj......

 

Like everyone knows just because it makes sense to us pilots, doesn't mean it does to management.

 

But they would have to still type new hire FOs at both airlines so that is a wash. Also at least 70% of the captain vacancies at Eagle go to upgrades. Meaning that if they brought in 2 airplanes and required 10 Captains to staff these said airplanes, at least 7 of the captain vacancies would go to current FO and a maximum of 3 to current captains. Of course if they are displacing then you are awarded the bid to immediately lose it as you are displaced. At Eagle they run vacancy bids first and then they displace, all in the same bid but run in that order.

The way the contract is written is for Eagle to be re fleeted with minimal raining cycles. FO can't bid from the ERJ to the CRJ so they would have to wait to be displaced or get an upgrade, and the way management has set up is for attrition to cover most of the reductions. So the guys that are going form the ERJ to the CRJ would be due to upgrades and they have to be trained anyway meanwhile their FO ERJ slot is not backfilled.

Does PSA have a short upgrade program or do they have attend an entire course when they upgrade?

 

If you replace 35 Crj200s at PSA for say 35 CRJ700s it'd cost ZERO training dollars...... New hires I see as a push.

Upgrade at PSA is a week of ground, maybe 6 sims total then IOE. You can get an FO to CA under a month easily.

Who knows what's happening. We all will find out shortly. USairways mgt team seems to be ok with wholly owns. They've kept them around for a reason. They have direct control and if things go south can reduce block hours etc as they desire with no contractual obligations of a FFD contract. With USairways mgt keeping the power I'm unsure if their mindset will change after a merger.

 

I do understand your point. And agree with your statement. So you guys do have a short upgrade training. Like you said they have a plan. They will have X amount of 50 seaters and X amount of 65 seaters and X amount 76 seaters. They are just going to shuffle around assets but what they are focusing on is that as they transition to larger aircraft pilot pay is not increased but to their wish decreased.

US Airways mentioned a few months ago that their intention was to re fleet their regionals, but that they couldn't guarantee airplanes the first time around to the regionals who were willing to take cuts. This was right after PSA and PDT signed a contract and Eagle was in the midst of implementing the concessions. Right after PSA hey will go to PDT and Eagle regardless of what PSA votes.

 

Question fellas...you would make the decision to have an SLI between the three wholly owns...the unions or company?

 

For an SLI to happen the company would have to merge the regionals, and if there is a merger then ALPA already has guidance on how to merge regionals. This would be up to the unions, the problem often in mergers is not the SLI (except US Airways) but rather agreeing to a single contract.

US Airways asked the pilot groups to agree to an SLI before a contract would be hammered out and since they didn't agree with the rulings and such the two pilot groups are still split. United handled it a bit different and US Airways wanted to ensure this didn't happen again even tho they made money from it last time around and that's why there was the birth of the MOU. If they are to merge the regionals I think the SLI won't be the problem, it will be the contract and I see this as the reason they are going from airline to airline for concessions as to use those rates for the merged regionals. I believe they will merge the regionals after they get either PSA or Eagle to take concessions.

 

Agreed, they need one to take concession then merge the owned regionals and use the concessionary contract as the base contract. That is why we need to replace the current union leadership at eagle, to stop the spineless weasels from giving the rest of store away.

Last time around Flagship contract was better but Simmons was management friendly and an alpa carrier, so when they merged the eagles, the Simmons contract was the base of the merge with minor tweak for 16 years.