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Old 07-27-2013 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by embraer
Get back to them in about six months and see how they feel
Unfortunately one has been there a year (got hired almost immediately after furloughed here). Still loves it.
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Old 07-27-2013 | 11:38 AM
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Unfortunately... I fear this is true. I have a former co-worker who is applying to Republic because they see it is a bright future and want to fly the E175. A friend who also used to work here at Eagle (got furloughed during the last batch), got hired at Republic and did not accept recall. When asked why, "This company is going places. They really know how to secure new flying. I don't worry about having a job."
Engines under the wings, I only wish I could fly the regional heavy...
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Old 07-27-2013 | 11:54 AM
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Last year was different, when this happened the company was doing a political furlough of 50 pilots and displacing 100 captains. It cost the company dearly as far as training cycles. Not all the displacements actually happened. They could do it again in an attempt to punishment to us but they know that it will cost them more than it will save. They are playing the whipsaw game and they won't stop until pilots make them stop as a whole. Not saying that isn't going to happen but the circumstances are different. But they could also park a bunch of airplanes and test the furlough protection but as long as we are hiring, airplanes remain full and replacement companies struggle to staff the flying I think we will be ok and this is not just for Eagle, it applies to al the regionals because we are all on the same boat.

I made more money in training last year lol basically was living at the in dfw . Good thai restaurant down the street by the way
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Old 07-27-2013 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by What
Here you go making an ass out of yourself again. Why would the company run a vacancy/displacement bid to just redo it all over again by displacing CA back to FO creating even more training cycles. Also, why not just cancel the guys in training since they are the most junior. Why let them finish as the most junior CA are starting training in the next two weeks or so just to pulled them at the end of training or displace them shortly after when the smaller ERJs are parked. Makes no sense.


***There weren't upgrades on this vacancy because the numbered guys aren't going to AA for 8-10 weeks, since APA change the payout at AA over 100 guys whom perviously deferred recall came running in matter of days creating a training bubble, so they are shrinking the amount of guys they take in but will take them in so they can get the pay out. Then in October-November time frame you will see 50 Eagle guys go a month and I am suspecting 100 of those guys will go. So that puts another vacancy bid in September!

Saturday, July 27, 2013


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Second, yesterday management announced a vacancy bid that does not contain any Captain vacancies. We have been told that this is the direct relation to an inability to hire sufficient First Officers. The company has indicated that despite our current need for additional Captains, upgrading First Officers at this point would create an imbalance between First Officers and Captains and therefore upgrades are being delayed.


With reference to the flow-through, due to the number of furloughed AA pilots who have now decided to return to employment at AA, it appears that the nine Eagle pilots who were originally scheduled to attend AA training in July will be delayed until October. AA had originally expected to begin hiring new hires in September and that is now expected to be delayed until the end of this year, or the beginning of next.

or the beginning of the next one, or the next one.....

There you have it. Cant hire FO's therefore no upgrades. Thats how it works if you understand...
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Old 07-27-2013 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
Saturday, July 27, 2013


MEC Newsblast
Fellow American Eagle pilots,

Second, yesterday management announced a vacancy bid that does not contain any Captain vacancies. We have been told that this is the direct relation to an inability to hire sufficient First Officers. The company has indicated that despite our current need for additional Captains, upgrading First Officers at this point would create an imbalance between First Officers and Captains and therefore upgrades are being delayed.


With reference to the flow-through, due to the number of furloughed AA pilots who have now decided to return to employment at AA, it appears that the nine Eagle pilots who were originally scheduled to attend AA training in July will be delayed until October. AA had originally expected to begin hiring new hires in September and that is now expected to be delayed until the end of this year, or the beginning of next.

or the beginning of the next one, or the next one.....

There you have it. Cant hire FO's therefore no upgrades. Thats how it works if you understand...
Really because we run out of CA all the time and FO sitting at home. Also, an airline wants to attract new hires, then continue to upgrade. You said we weren't upgrading because we are going to park a bunch of airplanes and displace captains back to FO. We are not upgrading because AA had a huge amount of people come back at the last minute due to pay out. Give it 4-6 weeks and you will see another vacancy with upgrades. How come they have CRJ FO in the vacancy?
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Old 07-27-2013 | 02:17 PM
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Perhaps, now that "B" scale offer doesn't look that bad now huh? New planes with engines underwing should attract more snotted riddle kids regardless of pay. And yeah, all 135's gone by Nov and the 140's starting in Dec.

As of now, by 2017 Eagle will be fleet of 47 CRJ's.
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Old 07-27-2013 | 03:37 PM
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On paper you're right, the fleet will be that small. However anyone thinking logically can see that AA can't afford to lose that much lift. No one is able to meet hiring targets right now so they can't just shuffle that much flying to a bunch of separate regionals. Is the situation rosy? Absolutely not. Should people be actively looking for other jobs? Probably. On the other hand the sky is not falling and most sane people never wanted to be a career regional pilot anyway. Either there is a shortage and Eagle will be around long enough for people to get out and go somewhere or the shortage was never real and the shrinking of Eagle will save people from dead end regional life by forcing them into other ventures.

I will say though, your constant trolling gets a few people on here quite upset and I love reading it.
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Old 07-27-2013 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
Perhaps, now that "B" scale offer doesn't look that bad now huh? New planes with engines underwing should attract more snotted riddle kids regardless of pay. And yeah, all 135's gone by Nov and the 140's starting in Dec.

As of now, by 2017 Eagle will be fleet of 47 CRJ's.
There aren't that many wide eye kids out there anymore?

"Second, yesterday management announced a vacancy bid that does not contain any Captain vacancies. We have been told that this is the direct relation to an inability to hire sufficient First Officers. The company has indicated that despite our current need for additional Captains, upgrading First Officers at this point would create an imbalance between First Officers and Captains and therefore upgrades are being delayed."

How would a B scale attract more new hires? We are not short on FO to be able to upgrade and you know that. We have 200-300 more FO than we do CA system wide, that's not taking into account all the captains that are tied up as instructors and management positions. The reason they are not upgrading is highlighted below. Did you see how they didn't say that we are not upgrading because we don't have airplanes, they just put the blame on not having FO. How come the company has not sent out the seniority list that was supposed to be out on the 15th? Stop trying to scare people, and play your games. You are smart enough to see what is happening and management thinks we are stupid enough to play.

"With reference to the flow-through, due to the number of furloughed AA pilots who have now decided to return to employment at AA, it appears that the nine Eagle pilots who were originally scheduled to attend AA training in July will be delayed until October. AA had originally expected to begin hiring new hires in September and that is now expected to be delayed until the end of this year, or the beginning of next."

Taking that B scale would have done nothing for us. They are not going to decide where billions of dollars worth of aircraft are going on a B scale for new hires they can't even find today. To fly what, the Ejet that RAH, Compass, SKW and EXJ will be flying. Like I said earlier, there are folks who are chasing that airplane but it isn't that many. The majority of pilots out there are not sitting there salivating to fly a Ejet, yes nice airplane but folks look at many other factors.

I'll eat my words when you can show proof to me that we are short on FO.
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Old 07-27-2013 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by What
I'll eat my words when you can show proof to me that we are short on FO.
All the more reason why Im curious about the ORD displacements. Send 30 FOs from a busy base to one where they will sit on their ass. If Im missing something please enlighten me but it just seems decisions are being made with a dart board and a bottle of whiskey.
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Old 07-28-2013 | 07:46 AM
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As soon as Rupgnant starts flying their shiny new jets in ORD instead of just taking up our gate space, we'll start losing EMJ flying. AE is just getting ahead of the power curve. We're already short on Capts, so that list is already started the downsizing.
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