Flows to Majors. Who will get them?
08-26-2013 | 11:59 AM
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I've flown with at least 1000 captains at 3 different regionals due to multiple furloughs. The captains at 9E aren't any different or unsafe or "undesireable" than any other airline I've worked for. Of course there are a few who I'd avoid, but that's anywhere on any seniority list I'd imagine.
08-26-2013 | 12:00 PM
#92
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It does a great job of weeding 99% of them.
08-26-2013 | 02:19 PM
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CLAMP and Johnson, if flow thru is so great why did ALPA and Management only offer the Pinnacle pilots "expedited interview" (whatever that means)? Fear of too many "undesirables" on your list I presume. That speaks volumes toward the argument that flows don't work, don't you think?
(And Bucking Bar, before you chime in, YES, I realize this was given without the consent of DALPA).
(And Bucking Bar, before you chime in, YES, I realize this was given without the consent of DALPA).
If you don't mind volunteering sir/mam I would like to call ALPA to hire you as a negotiation and career consultant. You obviously have more of a clue then those ignorant and naïve Pinnacle pilots.
08-26-2013 | 02:27 PM
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All those YES voters at Pinnacle are so stupid anyway for thinking only of themselves and not falling on the sward for all the other regional pilots. So many other majors and regionals went out of their way to hire and help out the Com Air pilots that lost their jobs. Didn't the Pinnacle pilots understand that ALPA would always be there for them? The same union (association) that allows members of one pilot group to negotiate jobs away from another pilot group. A union (association) that shall provide equal and fair representation among all its members (but more fair and equal for pilots at the majors). In today's environment it's easy and cheap to maintain currency when your out of work. I don't think currency will not matter in this non competitive industry and I am sure people and others like you will step aside to allow others that take a stand to get hired ahead of you. It's also big at the majors interview, (This pilot showed DAL what it means to be a regional pilot. His pilot group took a stand but failed and this pilot has been out of work and unable to pay to keep up currency. Lets go ahead and hire him anyway.) And besides all that there is soooo many other career fields available even though other highly qualified people have been out of work for years in those career fields. You know, that back up plan we're all supposed to have.
If you don't mind volunteering sir/mam I would like to call ALPA to hire you as a negotiation and career consultant. You obviously have more of a clue then those ignorant and naïve Pinnacle pilots.
If you don't mind volunteering sir/mam I would like to call ALPA to hire you as a negotiation and career consultant. You obviously have more of a clue then those ignorant and naïve Pinnacle pilots.
08-26-2013 | 02:32 PM
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All those YES voters at Pinnacle are so stupid anyway for thinking only of themselves and not falling on the sward for all the other regional pilots. So many other majors and regionals went out of their way to hire and help out the Com Air pilots that lost their jobs. Didn't the Pinnacle pilots understand that ALPA would always be there for them? The same union (association) that allows members of one pilot group to negotiate jobs away from another pilot group. A union (association) that shall provide equal and fair representation among all its members (but more fair and equal for pilots at the majors). In today's environment it's easy and cheap to maintain currency when your out of work. I don't think currency will not matter in this non competitive industry and I am sure people and others like you will step aside to allow others that take a stand to get hired ahead of you. It's also big at the majors interview, (This pilot showed DAL what it means to be a regional pilot. His pilot group took a stand but failed and this pilot has been out of work and unable to pay to keep up currency. Lets go ahead and hire him anyway.) And besides all that there is soooo many other career fields available even though other highly qualified people have been out of work for years in those career fields. You know, that back up plan we're all supposed to have.
If you don't mind volunteering sir/mam I would like to call ALPA to hire you as a negotiation and career consultant. You obviously have more of a clue then those ignorant and naïve Pinnacle pilots.
If you don't mind volunteering sir/mam I would like to call ALPA to hire you as a negotiation and career consultant. You obviously have more of a clue then those ignorant and naïve Pinnacle pilots.
08-26-2013 | 02:59 PM
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CLAMP and Johnson, if flow thru is so great why did ALPA and Management only offer the Pinnacle pilots "expedited interview" (whatever that means)? Fear of too many "undesirables" on your list I presume. That speaks volumes toward the argument that flows don't work, don't you think?
(And Bucking Bar, before you chime in, YES, I realize this was given without the consent of DALPA).
(And Bucking Bar, before you chime in, YES, I realize this was given without the consent of DALPA).
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08-26-2013 | 03:00 PM
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I can totally see where most people don't want their children getting into aviation, if I had any I wouldn't allow it thats for sure. I still think the cronyism is a big reason why flow deals don't work though. At this point I would gladly give up this whole Eagle flow for a few extra dollars on my paycheck. The flow actually negatively impacts pilots at Eagle, it's very difficult for anyone to get in the front door at AA from Eagle (if thats what they want).
The best thing that could have happened to us is if we had been divested prior to the bankruptcy, if we were no longer under the umbrella of AMR they wouldn't care at all about our training costs and we'd have 3 potential majors to apply to. As it is now we have a joke flow through and two mainlines with a realistic shot at employment.
The best thing that could have happened to us is if we had been divested prior to the bankruptcy, if we were no longer under the umbrella of AMR they wouldn't care at all about our training costs and we'd have 3 potential majors to apply to. As it is now we have a joke flow through and two mainlines with a realistic shot at employment.
08-26-2013 | 03:01 PM
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All those YES voters at Pinnacle are so stupid anyway for thinking only of themselves and not falling on the sward for all the other regional pilots. So many other majors and regionals went out of their way to hire and help out the Com Air pilots that lost their jobs. Didn't the Pinnacle pilots understand that ALPA would always be there for them? The same union (association) that allows members of one pilot group to negotiate jobs away from another pilot group. A union (association) that shall provide equal and fair representation among all its members (but more fair and equal for pilots at the majors). In today's environment it's easy and cheap to maintain currency when your out of work. I don't think currency will not matter in this non competitive industry and I am sure people and others like you will step aside to allow others that take a stand to get hired ahead of you. It's also big at the majors interview, (This pilot showed DAL what it means to be a regional pilot. His pilot group took a stand but failed and this pilot has been out of work and unable to pay to keep up currency. Lets go ahead and hire him anyway.) And besides all that there is soooo many other career fields available even though other highly qualified people have been out of work for years in those career fields. You know, that back up plan we're all supposed to have.
If you don't mind volunteering sir/mam I would like to call ALPA to hire you as a negotiation and career consultant. You obviously have more of a clue then those ignorant and naïve Pinnacle pilots.
If you don't mind volunteering sir/mam I would like to call ALPA to hire you as a negotiation and career consultant. You obviously have more of a clue then those ignorant and naïve Pinnacle pilots.
08-26-2013 | 03:26 PM
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I do hope you will achieve what ever career expectations you desire and wishing you best of luck. (no pun or sarcasm) Just warms your heart how we all get along so well, doesn't it?
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