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08-26-2013 | 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DryMotorBoatin

Apparently there is more to the supply and demand equation than we know. You're all on here talking about increasing pay and incentives when in realty there is talk of b-scales and concessions.

You can thank the boys over at Pinnacle for that one... After their 85% vote favoring massive concessions, management has starting approaching the work group claiming "Pinnacle is the new norm"

08-26-2013 | 06:22 AM

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From my very brief time in the regionals (I start IOE next week) I can see that something is going to have to be done about the issue of attracting guys to the regionals in order for them to keep their doors open. As has been said the Majors will never have a pilot shortage. Any flow that is created in the future is about attracting and retaining pilots at the regional level so that the majors can have feed. Yes, rumors of a flow abound where I work. I can't say I would complain but until I see the language and can do the math regarding how long it would take me to move move ill still be workng on improving my résumé to find better options.

08-26-2013 | 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Tony

CLAMP and Johnson, if flow thru is so great why did ALPA and Management only offer the Pinnacle pilots "expedited interview" (whatever that means)? Fear of too many "undesirables" on your list I presume. That speaks volumes toward the argument that flows don't work, don't you think?

(And Bucking Bar, before you chime in, YES, I realize this was given without the consent of DALPA).

I never said flows "were great." I simply said that there are flow agreements that have and do work. It's possible that Delta management desired to eliminate the Compass flow up/down agreement. But had they done so they would've been taken to arbitration, because the contract states that if the flow down is eliminated then 35 76 seat aircraft must be removed from service.

08-26-2013 | 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Slats

You can thank the boys over at Pinnacle for that one... After their 85% vote favoring massive concessions, management has starting approaching the work group claiming "Pinnacle is the new norm"

Slats, lets see if your pilot group has the Balls to say no!....
Lets see the "new" norm that your pilot groups set!

BTW I voted NO.

08-26-2013 | 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Fr8tdog

Slats, lets see if your pilot group has the Balls to say no!....
Lets see the "new" norm that your pilot groups set!

BTW I voted NO.

I can assure you that we will not take concessions. We're profitable, despite ExpressJet.

I can't count how many 9E guys have said they voted no.... 85% is a pretty overwhelming number.

08-26-2013 | 09:46 AM

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I can assure you that we will not take concessions. We're profitable, despite ExpressJet.

I can't count how many 9E guys have said they voted no.... 85% is a pretty overwhelming number.

Dude... Get over it already. At least you don't work there. You seem pretty miserable in life... Worry about your own pilot group.

08-26-2013 | 10:21 AM

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You can thank the boys over at Pinnacle for that one... After their 85% vote favoring massive concessions, management has starting approaching the work group claiming "Pinnacle is the new norm"

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I can assure you that we will not take concessions. We're profitable, despite ExpressJet.

I can't count how many 9E guys have said they voted no.... 85% is a pretty overwhelming number.

Slats, I realize you are relatively new at this biz, but if you can't see the difference between an bankrupcy contract (which a judge would have imposed anyways) or a DL shutdown, and a regular "it's time for negotiations" contract, you probably shouldn't be anywhere near an airplane. Quite a difference between that and your Skywest contract you will be voting on. 9e guys said shove it for 5-6 years under normal negotiations.

08-26-2013 | 10:39 AM

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Eagle was bk'd also and while we did take concessions which I didn't think we should have it wasn't anywhere near the atrocity that happened at Pinnacle. There is ALWAYS a choice.

08-26-2013 | 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Tony

Would you please find the quote where I said a flowthrough is great? I was providing an example of a flowthrough that did (does for the next 3ish years) work, not that it is a fantastic thing. Which renders your premise false....

I prefer the guaranteed interview because there definitely are too many undesireables that need screening at 9E.

08-26-2013 | 11:51 AM

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I prefer the guaranteed interview because there definitely are too many undesireables that need screening at 9E.

Yep, just like I'm sure there are absolutely no undesirables on any mainline seniority list.

As has been mentioned previously a guaranteed interview doesn't have much value to a thinking person, therefore it's utility at improving retention is pretty low.